Justin: Point well taken, and I agree for the most part. Teaching people to learn themselves is a much better solution that just giving the answer, however it CAN be done in a constructive and helpful manner, rather than a rude and abrupt one.
I have not noticed your responses, so I cannot comment, other than they did not particularily jump out at me as rude as Jason's did. <step on soapbox> There is a lot of experience on this list, but we all have to remember that there is also a lot of inexperience on this list. When someone asks a simple question they do not always even understand what they are asking, and may not even know how to ask the correct question. That is why if we do not have an answer that is constructive, then we should not post it. </step off soapbox> That is not to say that I am the judge of a constructive or non-constructive answer, just that if you do not have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all! Anyway, arguing noob teaching ethics is not paying the bills, so back to that at least! :) On 5/29/03 9:42 AM, "Justin French" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike, > > I agree that at times Jason (and plenty of others, including myself on a bad > day) tend to use the "search google" and "RTFM" replies a lot, but the > reality is that if people did a quick search in the manual, and a quick > search on google, this list would be a lot less cluttered. > > It also goes a long way in showing that the original poster isn't simply > lazy, and has made SOME effort to find the answer before posting to a list. > > > We'd also have well-formed questions like: > > "I checked out the manual page on file uploads, and tried getting > the example script to work, but I'm getting the following error > (...) -- can anyone offer advice?" > > Rather than: > > "I can't get file uploading to work, please read my 2000 line > script and tell me what's wrong" > > > I just had a kick around google, and couldn't find much to do with > netbilling and PHP (apart from http://dreamcost.com/?page=dreamaccount), but > the fact is if the OP had mentioned that he/she had already searched google > with little success, this whole discussion could have been avoided :) > > > Which is better? Teaching someone the answer to a problem, or teaching > someone how to find the answer (and future answers) themselves? > > "Search google" may not be a detailed answer, or even a polite one, but in > many cases (not necessarily this OP of this thread) a lazy question deserves > a lazy response. > > Justin French > > > > > > > on 30/05/03 12:49 AM, Mike Morton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> I have to get this off my chest, and I tried to send it directly to Jason >> off list, but the email bounces back. Why? Probably because he gets a lot >> of these emails. Don't like what I have to say? Tough luck, I am sick of >> unconstructive emails hitting the list putting people down. If you cannot >> or will not answer someone, just don't answer them at all. Be helpful, not >> hurtful. Oops, should take my own advice and not post this at all, but I >> need to get it off my chest, I am sure that I am not the only one thinking >> it: >> >> Jason: >> >> Why do you bother to answer on the php list at all? 90% of the messages >> from you are 'search google' if you do not have constructive info to offer, >> why bother to answer at all. I am directing this to you because the list >> does not need to see my crap about it, but it just makes me sick to see you >> over and over putting people down who are just asking for help. >> >> Really, I have been a member of MANY lists over the years, and I truly have >> never seen anyone as negative as you. If you do not have a useful answer to >> the question just don't answer- you clutter the list and my inbox. >> >> And no, 'search google' is not a good answer - at the best of times it is >> tough to wade through all the crap that google spits at you, at the worst of >> times, most people do not even know what to search for to narrow it down! >> Never mind searching the list archive - half the time all I get back is your >> emails saying 'search google'! >> >> Geeze, look what you have made me do, get pissed of and waste my time >> flaming you. What a waste of our time. >> >> >> On 5/29/03 5:43 AM, "Jason Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On Thursday 29 May 2003 17:36, Ralph wrote: >>>> I have to setup credit card verification/processing with Netbilling.com, >>>> does anybody know of a PHP based Netbilling gateway script or class? >>> >>> Have you searched google? >> >> -- >> Cheers >> >> Mike Morton >> >> **************************************************** >> * >> * Tel: 905-465-1263 >> * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> * >> **************************************************** >> >> "Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the >> computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with >> Apple." >> - Byte Magazine >> >> Given infinite time, 100 monkeys could type out the complete works of >> Shakespeare. Win 98 source code? Eight monkeys, five minutes. >> -- NullGrey >> > -- Cheers Mike Morton **************************************************** * * Tel: 905-465-1263 * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * **************************************************** "Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with Apple." - Byte Magazine Given infinite time, 100 monkeys could type out the complete works of Shakespeare. Win 98 source code? Eight monkeys, five minutes. -- NullGrey -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
