strtotime('third saturday', strtotime('1 jan 2005'));
   strtotime('third saturday', mktime(12, 0, 0, 1, 1, 2005));

yea thanks... now i can figure out most of the other stuff i need (at least
for now anyways)....

will probably use the mktime way since i can always use variables from a
combo box to get the month/year for mktime and they can always type in the
"third saturday" (or whatever relative date they are looking for)...

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