Hi --
...and then T. H. Grejc said...
% % Justin Patrin wrote:
% >The threading works just fine. The problem is that users have ignorant % >mail software that don't set the thread headers correctly. Even % >newsgroup client software might do this. This is *not* the server's % >fault in any way, shape, or form.
% % Sure it's not servers fault, knowing that news.php.net is not *real* % news server. It is mailing list mirror. News server dont make threads % based on subject like mailing list, but based on message header field.
Suppose for a moment that this list turned into a newsgroup instead of a mailing list. What would those same people causing problems on the existing list use to access the news server? Outhouse. And so what would happen to the headers and the threading? The same thing.
The problem is endemic to the users, and so the only solution must be applied there. Changing over to a new server won't matter at all.
% % News servers are cheaper, faster, easier to use, more accessible, easier % to archive than mailing lists. That's why I dont see the point of % mailing list being primary to php.net.
Because mailing lists are good. Mailing lists give the recipients more control and, in this day and age of easy connectivity, make more sense than replicating a news store everywhere. I'm sorry if that doesn't serve your needs well, and I am glad there is a mail-to-news gateway which should provide a news server for you, but such a thing sure doesn't serve me (as an example) -- since I only get to read in chunks, I'd miss countless posts because they'd expire off of the news server before I got there, whereas when they're safely locked up in my mailbox I can get them any time I need to.
There is no expiring off of this news server. It's the same as the mailing list archives. You can go right back to beginning, so that's not an issue.
Don't get me started on the whole spam problem, either. All of the newsgroups I've loved over the years have gone downhill due to being flooded with spam. I could be wrong, but I don't know of any news spam cleaners; they're all meant for email.
The spam on the newsgroup and the mailing list are the same as they're the same thing. A post to either creates a message on both sides. I'm currently posting this message via the newsgroup. The difference between this and other (global) newsgroups is that this (and the other PHP newsgroups) aren't part of the global newsgroup system. It's its own server, so spammers don't get to it unless they look for it...and who would want to spam such a small system?
Mail is good. News is less so, though it has its place.
Both are good. I like the newsgroup better than e-mail for this kind of interaction, though. It allows easy viewing and reading without having to get every single message.
HTH & HAND
:-D
-- paperCrane <Justin Patrin>
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