On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 13:13 -0500, tedd wrote:
> At 10:15 AM -0500 12/12/07, Robert Cummings wrote:
> >On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 09:00 -0500, tedd wrote:
> >  > There is simply order and randomness existing in our minds. There is
> >>  no order, nor randomness, existing in nature, it's our perception,
> >>  clarification, and categorization of nature that demands attributes
> >>  be assigned to artificial groupings of identity threshold exceeding
> >>  objects. In other words, we decide on what IT is and then assign
> >>  order to IT.
> >
> >Your statement is contradictory. If there is no randomness in nature
> >then there is no randomness in our minds since we are inherently a part
> >of nature-- yes even when we leave plastic lying around everywhere. We
> >aren't the only creatures in nature to make toxic messes (there's a
> >reason that you can't gain a higher alcohol concentration than about 18%
> >through the fermentation process).
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Rob.

> Just because we think, does not prove randomness, nor order, in 
> nature -- it only proves that we think about it.

Actually, order is proven. The fact that I can re-arrange objects into
an order proves it exists, the accuracy of the ordering may fall into
question, but not that they are ordered. It's random that can't be
proven.

Cheers,
Rob.
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