Much of this has already been posted, but it really needs top-level exposure. Programmers all over the world have already recognized that PHP is a superior language, and open-source is not the root of all evil (as M$ would have us believe). However, many (most?) execs do not listen to reason, but rather only to TV and glossy ads. Therefore, I propose we fight fire with fire! Lets band together and form a web site not altogether unlike LinuxFund.org. However, instead of development of new technology, our site could focus on the spread of PHP, or perhaps open source technology. Get our own credit card, ask for donations, be those donations money or time. We could use this money to fund ad-campaigns. Ad-campaigns targeted not at programmers who already know the merit of PHP (and open-source in general), but rather the "Big Corporate Executive" who has the power to make or break PHP. The ads could go in magazines like Forbes, Fortune, etc. instead of Open Magazine. If you are interested in this, either helping make the site, providing expertise in other areas (such as marketing), or would just be willing to make a donation, please visit the web site I have set up at http://www.coeus-group.com/AdCamp.php . Just sign if you're interested, it's not binding you to anything! I believe that we can really get some support for this. We might be able to get some big companies to help out (IBM, Sun, Zend, VA Linux, Netscape...), get a credit card like linuxfund, even set up a store! It's going to be lots of work, but I think it can be done! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact the list administrators, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]