well, you don't have to wade through all that html, just put an
include() in there to a file that has all the php in it. then
dreamweaver should leave it alone.

really if they don't want to chop the files up into header/footer
that shouldn't bother you, it makes their job harder since they have
to make changes to hundreds of files instead of one, but the dynamic
stuff will still all be in one file that gets include'd a hundred

- Mark

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:39:14 -0800, Fred wrote:
>Yikes!  You mean they don't use a text editor to for html?
>Seriously, you do have two choices here and I certainly prefer the
>suggested below.  You may have to talk to the project manager about
>designer's refusal to allow thier precious dreamweaver source files
>to be
>chopped up.  On the other hand, their insistance on using CSS is
>If the project manager does not want the html chopped up then it is
>not the
>end of the world.
>I recently completed a project where the designer insisted on using
>dreamweaver and leaving the html as single files.  I wrote the
>functions for
>everything I needed and placed them in include files.  I then
>replaced his
>sample data with <?= ?> statements and all is well.  I'd give you
>the URL to
>see how seemlessly it works, but it is a porn site and i'd rather
>not link
>it on the list.
>The moral is that you can certainly be successful in approaching the
>this way.  Personally, I do not like wading through all that html to
>out where to put my precious php code, but then again they were
>paying the
>bills that month.
>Mike Eheler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> They sound like good ideas, with one quisp.. the sites are
>> being designed in *shudder* Dreamweaver.
>> They absolutely refuse to chop files up into header/footer
>>includes, and
>> they want to be able to do all their colour customisation through
>> beloved .css files.
>> Mike
>> Jimtronic wrote:
>> >
>> > I try to seperate the php code from the html as much as
>>possible. So, if
>> > a page is dynamic, have php figure out the dynamic parts first,
>>put them
>> > into variables such as $html, or $pull_down_menu, or whatever.
>>Then all
>> > that needs to replaced in the html is that section. HTML coders
>> > dumb, so they can be trusted with a simple <?= $html ?>
>> >
>> > Additionally, I try to seperate php logic from php presentation
>>as much
>> > as possible. This means creating as many variables as possible
>> > affect how things look and then including a conf.php file that
>> > coders can also change pretty easily with good documentation.
>> >
>> > Moving even further in this direction, my logic code calls many
>> > presentation functions which I find HTML coders can also
>>decipher rather
>> > well. You can put these in another include file so your
>>designers don't
>> > ever have to touch any of your precious logic.
>> >
>> > Then ... if you have time ... you can make an admin screen to
>> > edit, and preview the finished product.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >> Hi There,
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking for some community feedback on being a coder
>>working with
>> >> designers. Techniques that work that allow my php-inept
>> >> designer comrade make changes to the layout of the page without
>> >> destroying my code, or requiring me to make any changes
>> >>
>> >> Or what is the best process? Code the dynamicity (heh -- sad
>>thing is
>> >> you know what i mean by it) of the site, then integrate a
>> >> HTML into your code, *or* the other way around.. have the
>> >> create the site using all static html files, then go in and
>> >> sample data to be replaced with dynamic data (pulled from a DB,
>> >> example).
>> >>
>> >> I'm about to enter a very large project working with about 3 or
>> >> designers and 2 other coders and any suggestions on making this
>> >> relationship work is greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >>
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