This could easily and quickly lead to a philosophical argument about the
merits of such software/libraries/etc. Is the best way to secure
software and hardware to take away the resources to try to break them?
This only leads to more and more poor programming. As long as these
tools are out there, it should keep all of us on our toes, and
programming with security constantly on our minds.

Removing those functions give the gates/Microsoft/.net community an
excuse to keep programming the way they have always been.


-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Harvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP] crack lib

On Thu, 2001-12-27 at 19:12, Dennis Gearon wrote:
> If the crack lib functions are for cracking passwords or other non
> commerce/offensive/hacker efforts, I strongly object to their
inclusion in the
> functions of PHP. The PHP/Apache community does not need to give the
> gates/microsoft/.net community any ammunition for bad publicity.

Object away.  They exist because they exist and are useful.  The
concepts have been around for years and are easily implemntable in any
programming language.

That's the value and risk of freedom - it cuts both ways.

Billy


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