php-windows Digest 18 May 2004 16:53:23 -0000 Issue 2253

Tue, 18 May 2004 09:53:37 -0700 

php-windows Digest 18 May 2004 16:53:23 -0000 Issue 2253

Topics (messages 23747 through 23763):

Re: PHP 5 try catch block
        23747 by: Vincent Jansen
        23754 by: Charles P. Killmer
        23760 by: Vincent Jansen

Re: i need help
        23748 by: Jordi Canals
        23756 by: Gryffyn, Trevor
        23759 by: Cory D. Wiles
        23763 by: Peter 'iridium' Waller

php performance on IIS 6
        23749 by: Mike Booth

Re: Photo gallery with description
        23750 by: Marcus Haase

How do you do....
        23751 by: Daniel Anderson
        23755 by: Cory D. Wiles

Date Format in MySQL
        23752 by: Steven Sher
        23753 by: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG)
        23757 by: Tony Devlin

Disclaimers
        23758 by: George Pitcher
        23761 by: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG)
        23762 by: George Pitcher

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You can only catch exceptions.

<?php
try {
        ....Script with lots of fatal errors.....
} catch (Exception $exception) {
   echo "all ok";
}
?>

will allways result in fatal error

<?php
try {
        throw new Exception();
} catch (Exception $exception) {
   echo "all ok";
}
?>

results in "all ok" though.

Vincent

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--- Begin Message --- 
Thanks.  Is there any way to catch fatal errors, and have the script do
something else more gracefull.  Like maybe log the error and redirect or
something. 

Charles

-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Jansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:03 AM
To: Charles P. Killmer; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [PHP-WIN] PHP 5 try catch block

You can only catch exceptions.

<?php
try {
        ....Script with lots of fatal errors.....
} catch (Exception $exception) {
   echo "all ok";
}
?>

will allways result in fatal error

<?php
try {
        throw new Exception();
} catch (Exception $exception) {
   echo "all ok";
}
?>

results in "all ok" though.

Vincent

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--- Begin Message --- 
I use something like the example here

http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.errorfunc.php

Vincent

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--- Begin Message --- Student wrote: 
I want to trim the following text

[i:abcdef]

but the inside text is different at time eg abcdef, bcdefg, etc etc
how can i trim [i:(some text here)] so that i can replace them with nothing.

eg these are to be trimmed.

[i:abcdef]
[i:bcdefg]
[i:xyzab]
[i:priftds]

how can i trim them.. 
Hi,

You can do:

$data = '[i:something]';
$array_data = explode(':',$data);

and you will have:
'[i' in $array_data[0]
'something]' in $array_data[1]

If i understod corretly, you want to get only something, so you need $array_data[1]. To take off brackets, just use str_replace();

Hoppe this helps,
Jordi.

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--- Begin Message --- 
If the format is consistantly the same, try this:

$somedata = "[i:aslkdfj]";
$insidedata = substr($somedata,3,strlen($somedata)-4);

-TG

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Student [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PHP-WIN] i need help
> 
> 
> Hi i was hoping if someone can help;
> 
> I want to trim the following text
> 
> [i:abcdef]
> 
> but the inside text is different at time eg abcdef, bcdefg, etc etc
> how can i trim [i:(some text here)] so that i can replace 
> them with nothing.
> 
> eg these are to be trimmed.
> 
> [i:abcdef]
> [i:bcdefg]
> [i:xyzab]
> [i:priftds]
> 
> how can i trim them..
> thanks
> 
> -- 
> 
>

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--- Begin Message --- 
Assuming you are doing just one string at a time:
<?
$str = "[i:abcdef]";
#[i:bcdefg]
#[i:xyzab]
#[i:priftds]

$regex = "/(\[i:)(\w+)(\])/i";
preg_match($regex, $str, $matches);

print $str;//original string
print substr($matches[2], 1, 3);//trimmed string
?>

Gryffyn, Trevor wrote:

If the format is consistantly the same, try this:

$somedata = "[i:aslkdfj]";
$insidedata = substr($somedata,3,strlen($somedata)-4);

-TG


-----Original Message-----
From: Student [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PHP-WIN] i need help


Hi i was hoping if someone can help;

I want to trim the following text

[i:abcdef]

but the inside text is different at time eg abcdef, bcdefg, etc etc
how can i trim [i:(some text here)] so that i can replace them with nothing.

eg these are to be trimmed.

[i:abcdef]
[i:bcdefg]
[i:xyzab]
[i:priftds]

how can i trim them..
thanks

--





--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message --- Jordi Canals wrote: 
Student wrote:

I want to trim the following text

[i:abcdef] 
Hi,

You can do:

$data = '[i:something]';
$array_data = explode(':',$data);

and you will have:
'[i' in $array_data[0]
'something]' in $array_data[1]

If i understod corretly, you want to get only something, so you need $array_data[1]. To take off brackets, just use str_replace();

Hoppe this helps,
Jordi.


Or, better, you can do :

preg_match( "/^\\[i\\:(.*)\\]\$/", "[i:something]", $matches );
$matches[1] will contain "something".

Peter.
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--- Begin Message --- 
I was having a performance problem when running any php pages on IIS 6, the
problem was that the page would load in the browser extremely slow, running
a simple loop would take ages to output anything. I didn't get into testing
much to find out where the speed issues are exactly but I found a fix for
the problem. Also to note was there was no noticeable load on the server
(cpu or memory) while processing.

After googling around a bit and seeing a number of people with similar
problems I started going through the php.ini file to see what could be
causing the performance problem.

What I found was simply setting output-buffering to "on" in the php.ini
dramatically increased the speed. (Don't ask me why)

I now have php operating fine on IIS6

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--- Begin Message --- 
http://pss.pryde.de/

Thats mine, might wanna have a look at it.

Marcus

Trevor Gryffyn wrote: 
I'm doing my own and plan to keep developing it.  I feel the same way,
those other scripts are really neat but they do WAY too much for what I
want.

The script that powers the link below is one file, no database setup
(currently and I'm thinking about keeping it that way... Or making a
PHP5 version using SQLLite), nothing fancy.

Current functionality:
1. Upload filename.[bmp|jpg|gif|png(?)|forget what other formats] to a
folder along with a "tn_filename.jpg" file as the thumbnail.  If no
thumbnail is available, it will try to use the full image as a thumbnail
but only if it's under a certain size (set in variable)
2. Dynamic # of columns to display (set in variable)
3. Auto-resizes thumbnails in <img> tag to fit in the table nicely..
Proportions are maintained
4. Displays full size image with forward/back/first/last/back to
thumbnails controls that ghost when you hit the beginning or end of the
images

Things left to do:
1. Have it dynamically scan the directories under the script's directory
for dirs with images and get dir descriptions and such.  Right now I
have a static menu that doesn't cover all the image directories I have
uploaded
2. Make it so each image can have it's own text description so you don't
have to rely on descriptive filenames.
3. Add an "upload" feature
4. Generate thumbnails serverside instead of requiring the user to
generate their own
5. Use text files or SQLLite to store description of files.  I think
many people under-estimate the power of a simple formatted text file as
a data storage device.   There's zero server overhead for using file()
to load a text file and you can parse it's data into arrays or whatever
as a simple micro flat database
6. Make it all a little nicer looking

Some of this functionality I already have in other scripts, just havn't
had time to incorporate it into my "Photohunt" script, so it's kind of
rough looking right now.

Here are the links -

Main Photohunt site with some stuff in it:
http://www.gryffyndevelopment.com/photohunt/

Photos from Hurricane Isabel's flooding of downtown Annapolis, MD
http://www.h18.org/photohunt/index.php?imagedir=flood
http://www.h18.org/photohunt/index.php?imagedir=flood2


I'll continue to develop this.. Just moved into a new house and have
tons of unpacking to do still though.

I wasn't going to post this because everyone else had such
uber-developed photo gallery scripts being posted but since it was
depressiong you, Bobo, to think that everyone was using pre-fabricated
scripts I thought I'd try to brighten your day a little. Haha.

My friends ask me why I choose to re-invent the wheel and write my own
scripts..  It's because it makes it MINE.. And I can it to do whatever I
want it to do.   And it's fun :)


-TG



-----Original Message-----
From: Bobo Wieland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PHP-WIN] Re:RE: [PHP-WIN] Photo gallery with description


Doesn't anybody do their own thing anymore? This is so boring, uninspiring and depressing...
Does any of the suggested gallery code do exactly what Lenny asked for? In my experience you always get a lot more then you want

when

using packages like this. And if you want to do something different

with it

it's difficult to find out where to add what because of the massive over-head of code...

Making a simple upload form and a db for the description shouldn't be to hard, should it?


.bobo

----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenny Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:40 AM
Subject: [PHP-WIN] Photo gallery with description


I am trying to find a photo gallery (Preferrably PHP based) that I can set
up for a client that would allow him/her to upload their own photos, and
leave a caption under. The client will update the album regularly and wants
to be able to do it on their own. They wouold also like to have a
description of the photo underneath that they would also like to be able to
create themselves. Kinda like the yahoo or msn group photos.
TIA
Lenny



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Hi,
 
1: can anyone tell me how to do a session ID in the URL?
 
so you could have something like:
 
www.someserver.com/figures.php?what=about&sid=123d8asf87yf9013987rfr
 
How do I get it to do that sort of thing?
 
2: Can you change the font face in the Create Image thingy, so instead of it being something like this:
I want something like Lucida Blackletter or something.
 
Many thanks,
 
Dan

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--- Begin Message --- There are a few ways of doing it. The way that I always append it is by doing the following:

<a href="<?=$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST']?>/page.php?what=about&sid=<?=$PHPSESSID?>">Link to page</a>

Daniel Anderson wrote:

Hi,
------------------------------------------------------------------------
1: can anyone tell me how to do a session ID in the URL?
so you could have something like:
www.someserver.com/figures.php?what=about*&sid=123d8asf87yf9013987rfr*
** How do I get it to do that sort of thing?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
2: Can you change the font face in the Create Image thingy, so instead of it being something like this:
I want something like Lucida Blackletter or something.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Many thanks,
Dan

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message --- 
Slightly off php topic

I would like to know if I can change the default date format on MySQL server
either for the entire server or for a particular database, as apposed to
formatting the date every time I input data or retrieve it out the database.

Thanks
Steven



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Disclaimers are not legally binding in email, so I have no idea why people
feel the need to include them.  The reason why disclaimers are not legally
binding in email is because the recipient has no way to read the disclaimer
and reject the email prior to reading the message, it would be like forcing
them to agree to anything you write in email just because they "read" that
email.  The disclaimer must precept the message and must allow for the
recipient to be able to reject the disclaimer and the message without risk
of reading the intended message which is inferred by the disclaimer.
Although it can be argued how software installs before displaying a
disclaimer but the sad truth is that if anyone wanted to claim no fault
acceptance of the disclaimer, they could.  Which is why new online games now
require you to accept their disclaimers and ToS everytime you play and it
precepts the ability to actually play the game, If you disagree to either it
exits the program, which is the way the disclaimer laws were written.  Now
lets go even further and just make a logical statement, How can you control
whether the intended user has recieved the email and if not, what the
non-intended user does with that information?  Exactly you can't and fault
of misdirected email fails squarly on the shoulders of the sender, not the
recipient.

I can see that Svensson, just as I am, is tired of recieving this spam at
the end of messages by these people.  Soon they have to realize that their
disclaimers hold no water and no legal protection.

Tony

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-----Original Message-----
From: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL


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Whilst I agree with the sentiments of Tony and B.A.T., some of us must as a
condition of using their employers' email facilities, add company
disclaimers to their messages.

As long as they don't start to appear at the top of messages, I will
continue to ignore them.

George in Oxford

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Devlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 May 2004 2:33 pm
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL
>
>
> Disclaimers are not legally binding in email, so I have no idea why people
> feel the need to include them.  The reason why disclaimers are not legally
> binding in email is because the recipient has no way to read the
> disclaimer
> and reject the email prior to reading the message, it would be
> like forcing
> them to agree to anything you write in email just because they "read" that
> email.  The disclaimer must precept the message and must allow for the
> recipient to be able to reject the disclaimer and the message without risk
> of reading the intended message which is inferred by the disclaimer.
> Although it can be argued how software installs before displaying a
> disclaimer but the sad truth is that if anyone wanted to claim no fault
> acceptance of the disclaimer, they could.  Which is why new
> online games now
> require you to accept their disclaimers and ToS everytime you play and it
> precepts the ability to actually play the game, If you disagree
> to either it
> exits the program, which is the way the disclaimer laws were written.  Now
> lets go even further and just make a logical statement, How can
> you control
> whether the intended user has recieved the email and if not, what the
> non-intended user does with that information?  Exactly you can't and fault
> of misdirected email fails squarly on the shoulders of the sender, not the
> recipient.
>
> I can see that Svensson, just as I am, is tired of recieving this spam at
> the end of messages by these people.  Soon they have to realize that their
> disclaimers hold no water and no legal protection.
>
> Tony
>
> DISCLAIMER: By reading this email you agree that "All Your Base R
> Belong To
> Me".
>
> **Just some humor and hopefully some legal insight on disclaimers**
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL
>
>
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Even thou I might agree with Tony, his full opinion in this matter may
not necessarily be shared with me. I did not intended to ask them not
include these disclaimer, I just wanted to protect my own rights of
privacy. :)

I do know that some employees are forced by the company board to add
such disclaimers. Managers are know by engineers to make decision that
an engineer might not agree with.

        //Anders


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On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:49, George Pitcher wrote:
> Whilst I agree with the sentiments of Tony and B.A.T., some of us must as a
> condition of using their employers' email facilities, add company
> disclaimers to their messages.
> 
> As long as they don't start to appear at the top of messages, I will
> continue to ignore them.
> 
> George in Oxford
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony Devlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 18 May 2004 2:33 pm
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL
> >
> >
> > Disclaimers are not legally binding in email, so I have no idea why people
> > feel the need to include them.  The reason why disclaimers are not legally
> > binding in email is because the recipient has no way to read the
> > disclaimer
> > and reject the email prior to reading the message, it would be
> > like forcing
> > them to agree to anything you write in email just because they "read" that
> > email.  The disclaimer must precept the message and must allow for the
> > recipient to be able to reject the disclaimer and the message without risk
> > of reading the intended message which is inferred by the disclaimer.
> > Although it can be argued how software installs before displaying a
> > disclaimer but the sad truth is that if anyone wanted to claim no fault
> > acceptance of the disclaimer, they could.  Which is why new
> > online games now
> > require you to accept their disclaimers and ToS everytime you play and it
> > precepts the ability to actually play the game, If you disagree
> > to either it
> > exits the program, which is the way the disclaimer laws were written.  Now
> > lets go even further and just make a logical statement, How can
> > you control
> > whether the intended user has recieved the email and if not, what the
> > non-intended user does with that information?  Exactly you can't and fault
> > of misdirected email fails squarly on the shoulders of the sender, not the
> > recipient.
> >
> > I can see that Svensson, just as I am, is tired of recieving this spam at
> > the end of messages by these people.  Soon they have to realize that their
> > disclaimers hold no water and no legal protection.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > DISCLAIMER: By reading this email you agree that "All Your Base R
> > Belong To
> > Me".
> >
> > **Just some humor and hopefully some legal insight on disclaimers**
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:22 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL
> >
> >
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> > Svensson' mailbox the sender agrees that, regardless content,
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> > Svensson is to be consider the exclusive owner of any electronically
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Anders,

Just send me your credit card details and I'll comply with your newest
disclaimer :^)

George

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 May 2004 3:01 pm
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Disclaimers
>
>
> Even thou I might agree with Tony, his full opinion in this matter may
> not necessarily be shared with me. I did not intended to ask them not
> include these disclaimer, I just wanted to protect my own rights of
> privacy. :)
>
> I do know that some employees are forced by the company board to add
> such disclaimers. Managers are know by engineers to make decision that
> an engineer might not agree with.
>
>       //Anders
>
>
> DISCLAIMER: by receiving this e-mail you agree to annually, for a period
> of teen years, send 10% of your salary to the sender of this mail.
>
>
> On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 15:49, George Pitcher wrote:
> > Whilst I agree with the sentiments of Tony and B.A.T., some of
> us must as a
> > condition of using their employers' email facilities, add company
> > disclaimers to their messages.
> >
> > As long as they don't start to appear at the top of messages, I will
> > continue to ignore them.
> >
> > George in Oxford
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tony Devlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 18 May 2004 2:33 pm
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL
> > >
> > >
> > > Disclaimers are not legally binding in email, so I have no
> idea why people
> > > feel the need to include them.  The reason why disclaimers
> are not legally
> > > binding in email is because the recipient has no way to read the
> > > disclaimer
> > > and reject the email prior to reading the message, it would be
> > > like forcing
> > > them to agree to anything you write in email just because
> they "read" that
> > > email.  The disclaimer must precept the message and must allow for the
> > > recipient to be able to reject the disclaimer and the message
> without risk
> > > of reading the intended message which is inferred by the disclaimer.
> > > Although it can be argued how software installs before displaying a
> > > disclaimer but the sad truth is that if anyone wanted to
> claim no fault
> > > acceptance of the disclaimer, they could.  Which is why new
> > > online games now
> > > require you to accept their disclaimers and ToS everytime you
> play and it
> > > precepts the ability to actually play the game, If you disagree
> > > to either it
> > > exits the program, which is the way the disclaimer laws were
> written.  Now
> > > lets go even further and just make a logical statement, How can
> > > you control
> > > whether the intended user has recieved the email and if not, what the
> > > non-intended user does with that information?  Exactly you
> can't and fault
> > > of misdirected email fails squarly on the shoulders of the
> sender, not the
> > > recipient.
> > >
> > > I can see that Svensson, just as I am, is tired of recieving
> this spam at
> > > the end of messages by these people.  Soon they have to
> realize that their
> > > disclaimers hold no water and no legal protection.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > DISCLAIMER: By reading this email you agree that "All Your Base R
> > > Belong To
> > > Me".
> > >
> > > **Just some humor and hopefully some legal insight on disclaimers**
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:22 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [PHP-WIN] Date Format in MySQL
> > >
> > >
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