php-windows Digest 3 Feb 2003 13:28:35 -0000 Issue 1570

Topics (messages 18306 through 18321):

php/mysql query
        18306 by: Anthony Ritter

Re: PHP on Windows.net Server
        18307 by: pingywon MCSE

PHP .Net and a boat load of questions !!!
        18308 by: pingywon MCSE
        18309 by: WageMage
        18311 by: Luis Ferro

Re: Subject: xml rdf and php
        18310 by: Neil Smith

php icon ????
        18312 by: toby z
        18313 by: Luis Ferro
        18321 by: Maxim Maletsky

two questions: error_log and timeout
        18314 by: Henrik Hornemann
        18315 by: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG)
        18316 by: Luis Ferro
        18317 by: Sjon
        18318 by: Henrik Hornemann
        18319 by: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG)
        18320 by: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG)

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Working on:
Win 98 / mysql 3.23.55 / php 4

I installed mysql 3.23.55 and wanted to check the user table in the mysql
db.

The query was:
SELECT User FROM user WHERE host='localhost';

The output was:

x------------x
user         |
x------------x
|                |
|                |
root          |
x------------x

2 rows in set

.....................................

In the Wrox book on PHP (page 396) by running that query it is:

x----------x
user      |
x----------x
root       |
x---------x

1 row in set

........................................
I'm not sure why I'm getting two rows.
Many thanks for your assistance.
TR




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Im so glad to find I am not the only person having this problem with Server
2003

But your solution didn't appear to help..or I don't understand it
correctly..

When I add the Web Services Extension "php" then I point the dir to the
php.exe in my c:\php dir it gives me a security error and I cant get the
page to load.....
again maybe I misunderstood... please elaborate on what needs to be done to
get PHP content to the web on Win 2k3 Server (.Net)
thank you

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"George Sas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello news group.
>
> I have been trying to install php on a Windows .Net Server and I keept
> getting Error 400.
>
> Here is the sollution.
>
> After installing the PHP according to install.txt you have to go on the
IIS
> console and at:
> Web Server Extenstions  ----- Add a new Web service extension.
>
> Here you can add the "php" extension and the application used being
> "php.exe".
>
> I hope this will help also other people.
>
> Best regards
>
> George.
>
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Hello all first and foremost let me just thank anyone who responds to this
post..this group appears rather helpful (Im new here) Im also new to php
(Big surprise ? )

anyway heres the scoop:

Im beginning work on a "testing engine" type thing...heh

pretty much the form will open up ask you a question with 3 to 5 radio
buttons, you'll choose your answer then hit the submit..and it will return
your answer weither it was correct or not and why ...... here is where the
questions begin.....I'll just list em out

1) Cant get the PHP visible on the net (under win Server 2003) added a
service extension "php" and pointed it to my c:\php\php.exe all I get it a
security error. any ideas there ?
2) When making the radio buttons and testing them it doesn't stop me from
picking more then one button (in other words it will let me pick all 5 and
have them all selected at the same time ) how do I stop this ?
3) Im assuming I will need to have an "answer" type php file so that the
page can return the results......will I have to have a different file for
EACH QUESTION!??!? as each question will be different ..

......This is beginning to look alot harder then I first imagined it would
4) if im not tracking any of the user info....do I need a SQL db ???

ANY HELP IS MUCH APPRECIATED !!!!!

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--- Begin Message --- Well, you were right - it *is* a rather large boatload of questions - I'll try to address each enough for you to get the gist of things. I'm new to the list myself, but I've been doing this for a while so perhaps I won't make too big a fool of myself.

1) Security error ? Errr... I think we'll need more details (Versions, Web Server,Intallation procedure, full text of error messages, etc.) in order to troubleshoot that one. You ARE accessing the file through HTTP and not file system, right ?

2) Sounds more like an HTML problem then a PHP problem... are you sure you're formatting your radio buttons correctly ? Basically, for any one question you'll need to have several radio buttons with the same NAME but different VALUES. ie :
For a hypothetical question1
<input type="radio" name="question1" value="1"> Foo
<input type="radio" name="question1" value="2"> Bar

And for question 2
<input type="radio" name="question2" value="3"> Bilbo
<input type="radio" name="question2" value="4"> Frodo

et cetera ad nauseam.

3) No. What you will need is a "pretty smart" answer script that will recognize which question is being answered, look up the correct answer (and reason, whatnot), then display the results. That leads us to...

4) It's probably a good idea. You could, technically speaking, hardcode the answer into your program, or store the desired results in a text file or somesuch... but that way lies madness. With a database... well, you have another type of madness, but at least you can store your data coherently, change it at will, and learn something in the process. And you'll be able to do a generic "answer engine".

Basically I heartily recommend spending some time with an HTML and PHP tutorial and docs - it will probably take some time for you to grok it all, but in the end it'll be worth it... and avoid a whole heap of "RTFM" answers to future questions along these lines (it's monday morning and I'm still half asleep - my vitriol level is not up to spec yet).

HTH, HAND

WageMage
Programmer at Arms, SomeHushHushStartup.



pingywon MCSE wrote:

Hello all first and foremost let me just thank anyone who responds to this
post..this group appears rather helpful (Im new here) Im also new to php
(Big surprise ? )

anyway heres the scoop:

Im beginning work on a "testing engine" type thing...heh

pretty much the form will open up ask you a question with 3 to 5 radio
buttons, you'll choose your answer then hit the submit..and it will return
your answer weither it was correct or not and why ...... here is where the
questions begin.....I'll just list em out

1) Cant get the PHP visible on the net (under win Server 2003) added a
service extension "php" and pointed it to my c:\php\php.exe all I get it a
security error. any ideas there ?
2) When making the radio buttons and testing them it doesn't stop me from
picking more then one button (in other words it will let me pick all 5 and
have them all selected at the same time ) how do I stop this ?
3) Im assuming I will need to have an "answer" type php file so that the
page can return the results......will I have to have a different file for
EACH QUESTION!??!? as each question will be different ..

......This is beginning to look alot harder then I first imagined it would
4) if im not tracking any of the user info....do I need a SQL db ???

ANY HELP IS MUCH APPRECIATED !!!!!



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1) Cant get the PHP visible on the net (under win Server 2003) added a
service extension "php" and pointed it to my c:\php\php.exe all I get it a
security error. any ideas there ?


What is the web server you are using? There are diferent install procedures for each mainstream web server... I'm assuming that you are using IIS (whatever version is shiped with WS2K3RC2).

Check the install procedure for php. I've no idea what Windows Server 2003 (RC2 i presume, so it is still a alpha or beta grade, not for production or development purposes). Anyway, check the security constraints of the OS and assume for the rest that the server is similar to Windows XP (or Windows 2000 Server).

Trying to learn a new languange in a new environment (not yet production one) is a bit like skating in thin ice! For WS2K3 i would wait for the first service pack before trying to make experiments with it...

2) When making the radio buttons and testing them it doesn't stop me from
picking more then one button (in other words it will let me pick all 5 and
have them all selected at the same time ) how do I stop this ?

I think wagemage has answered that... it's a HTML thing...

3) Im assuming I will need to have an "answer" type php file so that the
page can return the results......will I have to have a different file for
EACH QUESTION!??!? as each question will be different ..

......This is beginning to look alot harder then I first imagined it would

That is correct. To do anything with a form, you will need a processing action (as stated in the action attribute in the form element).

4) if im not tracking any of the user info....do I need a SQL db ???

ANY HELP IS MUCH APPRECIATED !!!!!


That depends on what you are doing and for what purpose. Do you colect any info? If not you dont need any db watsoever (be it an SQL fluent one or not).



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--- Begin Message --- PHP3 is long since out of date (though I suspect some legacy sites still use it). Afaik it does not havve DOM support so you must mean PHP4. Check the latest version of the manual for the correct function names - but beware of version changes :

Try to use at least PHP4.2.3 for DOM support.
You will find the functions you expect, *are* defined.

You also walk through a node's collection of objects and arrays after checking the structure using print_r($node). This will show you that the structure of nodes in PHP has changed between 4.1.2 and 4.2 for example - but it wil give you a clue how to iterate through them without using DOM functions.

As I found to my detriment last week when my ISP upgraded to 4.1.2, all the DOM functions have been in a state of flux (actually this is stated in the manual anyway - the functions are experimental and subject to change).

Since you ask, the DOM functions have an exact equivalent in all languages, java, javascript, VB andf PHP all have analogous function names which do the same things like adding nodes, getting attributes etc. So with a copy of the MSXML SDK and the PHP manual you should be able to work your way though this no problem.

The other way to handle XML is of course with XSL - can you install Expat XSLT processor on your machine and hack around with that ? Since RDF is any old XML, you can probably find a whole bunch of XSL sheets to handle it and adapt some of those.

Cheers,
Neil Smith.

At 01:26 03/02/2003 +0000, you wrote:
From: "parvez Soobhany" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:49:37 +0400
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Subject: xml rdf and php

hii
i'm a university student, doing my project on rdf , xml and php. i'm tying to use php dom of php3.0 to create xml pages and to add tags...but the functions are not functioning...the function are declared as undefined...can any one help
plus, has any one some knowledge about how to to use RDF with PHP, for qurying XML pages

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hi guys

im at designing my project i couldnt find any free tools so im making
my own stencil in ms visio
i have got a list of uml articrafts from this book with icons for asp
and java pages and scripts, but what i dont see there is an icon for
a php page

can and will anyone pleez tell me what a php page icon would or shud
look like


thnx a mill

toby .....


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--- Begin Message --- In the site www.php.net there is a faveicon in the site that can be used as such:

http://www.php.net/favicon.ico


Cheers,

Luis Ferro

Teladigital.net



toby z wrote:

hi guys

im at designing my project i couldnt find any free tools so im making
my own stencil in ms visio
i have got a list of uml articrafts from this book with icons for asp
and java pages and scripts, but what i dont see there is an icon for
a php page

can and will anyone pleez tell me what a php page icon would or shud
look like


thnx a mill

toby .....


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Everything you'll ever need on one web page
from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
http://uk.my.yahoo.com



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Yeah, but remember also to read the copyrights. Design property is not
GPL, but can be often used with the permission. Read the license on
php.net.


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Luis Ferro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... :

> In the site www.php.net there is a faveicon in the site that can be used 
> as such:
> 
>       http://www.php.net/favicon.ico
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis Ferro
> 
> Teladigital.net
> 
> 
> 
> toby z wrote:
> 
> >hi guys
> >
> >im at designing my project i couldnt find any free tools so im making
> >my own stencil in ms visio
> >i have got a list of uml articrafts from this book with icons for asp
> >and java pages and scripts, but what i dont see there is an icon for
> >a php page
> >
> >can and will anyone pleez tell me what a php page icon would or shud
> >look like
> >
> >
> >thnx a mill
> >
> >toby .....
> >
> >
> >__________________________________________________
> >Do You Yahoo!?
> >Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
> >http://uk.my.yahoo.com
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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Hi all,

I hope you can help me.
I'm running php 4.3 as ISAPI under IIS on Windows 2000, SP3 MS-SQL Server
2000, SP2.

I have these two problems that has been bugging me for some time:

I'm logging php errors and warnings to a log file. But mostly there are no
line breaks in the resulting file, which makes scanning the file very
dificult. 
Is there a way to force line breaks in the error log?

My second problem is a script that once in a while returns a time-out error,
usually after having run for about 5 min. But not always. 
My standard timeout for php is set to 600 sec. And the script in question
starts with set_time_limit(0); Any idea on how to pinpoint the problem?
The exact error message i get is:

CGI Timeout
The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for processing. The
server has deleted the process.

This error, by the way, is not written to the error log. 

Tia Henrik Hornemann



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Q&A 1: Have you checked the file in a hex editor/viewer?

Q&A 2: Three solutions

1) speed optimize your queries (check all full table scans etc)
2) increase the time out limitation
3) get faster hardware

In addition you might want to check weather this always happens
for single specific queries. If this is the case you might want
to verify that the result set returned confirms to the spec.

Since you provides with sparse information on what you actually
are doing it is hard to judge on network related issues, but if
you can't find any particularly reason for network errors, then
you might want to check packets routing on the network, sometimes
your route map might be obscured and packages sent to routers that
knows absolutely nothing about the network, and hence you will be
waiting forever for an answers. 


        //Anders


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Hornemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [PHP-WIN] two questions: error_log and timeout
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I hope you can help me.
> I'm running php 4.3 as ISAPI under IIS on Windows 2000, SP3 MS-SQL Server
> 2000, SP2.
> 
> I have these two problems that has been bugging me for some time:
> 
> I'm logging php errors and warnings to a log file. But mostly there are no
> line breaks in the resulting file, which makes scanning the file very
> dificult. 
> Is there a way to force line breaks in the error log?
> 
> My second problem is a script that once in a while returns a time-out error,
> usually after having run for about 5 min. But not always. 
> My standard timeout for php is set to 600 sec. And the script in question
> starts with set_time_limit(0); Any idea on how to pinpoint the problem?
> The exact error message i get is:
> 
> CGI Timeout
> The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for processing. The
> server has deleted the process.
> 
> This error, by the way, is not written to the error log. 
> 
> Tia Henrik Hornemann
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) wrote:

Q&A 1: Have you checked the file in a hex editor/viewer?

Another solution is to open the file with wordpad instead of notpad... (wordpad knows what are unix delimited files, and notepad doesn't)...

Cheers,
Luis Ferro
Teladigital.net



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> Is there a way to force line breaks in the error log?
write your own error_log wrapper. I usually do something like this:

function error ($msg) {
        error_log(sprintf('[%s] %s %s', date('d-m-Y H:i:s'), $msg, "\r\n"), 3,
'D:/path/to/error.log');
}

> CGI Timeout
> The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for processing.
> The server has deleted the process.

This sounds like IIS trowing away the ISAPI process, instead of a php
timeout.
My advice is the same as Anders's solution, optimizing the page...


Sjon.

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Hi,

> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sendt: 3. februar 2003 13:03
> Til: Henrik Hornemann; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Emne: RE: [PHP-WIN] two questions: error_log and timeout
> 
> 
> Q&A 1: Have you checked the file in a hex editor/viewer?
> 
Wordpad helped :)

> Q&A 2: Three solutions
> 
> 1) speed optimize your queries (check all full table scans etc)
> 2) increase the time out limitation
> 3) get faster hardware
> 
> In addition you might want to check weather this always happens
> for single specific queries. If this is the case you might want
> to verify that the result set returned confirms to the spec.
> 
> Since you provides with sparse information on what you actually
> are doing it is hard to judge on network related issues, but if
> you can't find any particularly reason for network errors, then
> you might want to check packets routing on the network, sometimes
> your route map might be obscured and packages sent to routers that
> knows absolutely nothing about the network, and hence you will be
> waiting forever for an answers. 
> 
> 
>       //Anders
> 
What im doing is parsing a monster textfile and writing the results to an 
ms-sql database. Im sure the code could be optimized, but it is rather
complicated and not very high on the priority list. 
The time-out limit is 600 secs standard, which is allways higher than the
execution time for the script.
When it times out it is newer in the same place, judging from the output.
Sorry, I only gave half the errormessage last time, the full message is:

HTTP/1.1 502 Gateway Error Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003
11:04:40 GMT Connection: close Content-Length: 186 Content-Type: text/html 
CGI Timeout
The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for processing. The
server has deleted the process.

regards Henrik

> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Henrik Hornemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:39 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [PHP-WIN] two questions: error_log and timeout
> > 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I hope you can help me.
> > I'm running php 4.3 as ISAPI under IIS on Windows 2000, SP3 
> MS-SQL Server
> > 2000, SP2.
> > 
> > I have these two problems that has been bugging me for some time:
> > 
> > I'm logging php errors and warnings to a log file. But 
> mostly there are no
> > line breaks in the resulting file, which makes scanning the 
> file very
> > dificult. 
> > Is there a way to force line breaks in the error log?
> > 
> > My second problem is a script that once in a while returns 
> a time-out error,
> > usually after having run for about 5 min. But not always. 
> > My standard timeout for php is set to 600 sec. And the 
> script in question
> > starts with set_time_limit(0); Any idea on how to pinpoint 
> the problem?
> > The exact error message i get is:
> > 
> > CGI Timeout
> > The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for 
> processing. The
> > server has deleted the process.
> > 
> > This error, by the way, is not written to the error log. 
> > 
> > Tia Henrik Hornemann
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > PHP Windows Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> > 
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> From: Luis Ferro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) wrote:
> 
> >Q&A 1: Have you checked the file in a hex editor/viewer?
> >  
> >
> Another solution is to open the file with wordpad instead of notpad... 
> (wordpad knows what are unix delimited files, and notepad doesn't)...

Wordpad? Notpad? I communicate with computers by rapidly short cutting
the TxD pin on the serial port and reading the answer on RxD from a LED.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henrik Hornemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:04 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: SV: [PHP-WIN] two questions: error_log and timeout
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: Svensson, B.A.T. (HKG) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sendt: 3. februar 2003 13:03
> > Til: Henrik Hornemann; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Emne: RE: [PHP-WIN] two questions: error_log and timeout
> > 
> > 
> > Q&A 1: Have you checked the file in a hex editor/viewer?
> > 
> Wordpad helped :)

I prefere the look at the pure matrix using LIST with 4NT.
 
> > Q&A 2: Three solutions
> > 
> > 1) speed optimize your queries (check all full table scans etc)
> > 2) increase the time out limitation
> > 3) get faster hardware
> > 
> > In addition you might want to check weather this always happens
> > for single specific queries. If this is the case you might want
> > to verify that the result set returned confirms to the spec.
> > 
> > Since you provides with sparse information on what you actually
> > are doing it is hard to judge on network related issues, but if
> > you can't find any particularly reason for network errors, then
> > you might want to check packets routing on the network, sometimes
> > your route map might be obscured and packages sent to routers that
> > knows absolutely nothing about the network, and hence you will be
> > waiting forever for an answers. 
> > 
> > 
> >     //Anders
> > 
> What im doing is parsing a monster textfile and writing the results to an 

Interesting; I am dealing with the same problems myself. Regularly I need to
parse some 3/4 of gigabytes sized text files in order to load them into a
database. It's not funny I agree.

Anyhow, are you doing this upload remotely? Are you able to upload
locally at the server it self?

> ms-sql database. Im sure the code could be optimized, but it is rather
> complicated and not very high on the priority list. 

Is this pure inserts operations? If so, do you use bulk loads?

My recommendation: parse into tab delimited formats and bulk copy the
data into the corresponding tables. Anything else goes to slow.

> The time-out limit is 600 secs standard, which is allways higher than the
> execution time for the script.

For an upload operation you should not get such an error since the upload
should active all the time, unless your upload stalls by some strange reason
(then you need to check the network connectivity).

> When it times out it is newer in the same place, judging from the output.

What output?

> Sorry, I only gave half the errormessage last time, the full message is:

For the time being regard that as irrelevant, since it hard to predict
how fast the job will have progressed, since this is dependent on available
system resources like cashed memory, pages swapped out on hard drive and other
system activities, etc, etc. In short you can't predict these things, and they
WILL affect your total execution time until completion.

> HTTP/1.1 502 Gateway Error Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003
> 11:04:40 GMT Connection: close Content-Length: 186 Content-Type: text/html 
> CGI Timeout
> The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for processing. The
> server has deleted the process.

Hmmm.... So you should definitely try to increase the timeout limitation.
 
> regards Henrik
> 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Henrik Hornemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:39 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [PHP-WIN] two questions: error_log and timeout
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > I hope you can help me.
> > > I'm running php 4.3 as ISAPI under IIS on Windows 2000, SP3 
> > MS-SQL Server
> > > 2000, SP2.
> > > 
> > > I have these two problems that has been bugging me for some time:
> > > 
> > > I'm logging php errors and warnings to a log file. But 
> > mostly there are no
> > > line breaks in the resulting file, which makes scanning the 
> > file very
> > > dificult. 
> > > Is there a way to force line breaks in the error log?
> > > 
> > > My second problem is a script that once in a while returns 
> > a time-out error,
> > > usually after having run for about 5 min. But not always. 
> > > My standard timeout for php is set to 600 sec. And the 
> > script in question
> > > starts with set_time_limit(0); Any idea on how to pinpoint 
> > the problem?
> > > The exact error message i get is:
> > > 
> > > CGI Timeout
> > > The specified CGI application exceeded the allowed time for 
> > processing. The
> > > server has deleted the process.
> > > 
> > > This error, by the way, is not written to the error log. 
> > > 
> > > Tia Henrik Hornemann
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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