||*()*|| Hi, Derick.

>> First, I don't think this belongs in the PHP Manual (It has nothing to
>> do with PHP itself, and there are many resources about patterns out
>> there).
DR> I disagree, those things should be in some place to show how it shouldbe
DR> done,

Soon we will have a local copy of zend.com in manual. Patterns are
good, but there are also many articles on DevShed, phppatters and
in other places. People who want to learn more will find them easily.
We can help by providing links and overview of different programming
techniques, but PHP manual's primary function is to be a reference -
not a book about programming like Knout's. Manual is already bloated a
lot. As for patterns - they can be evil in many situations. They can
confuse people who doesn't know about OOP greatly and will make them
think about PHP is too complicated to learn. I believe that with all
these high level "tips and tricks" we are loosing one simple thing -
PHP accessibility. The best way is to have "Advanced PHP" section
somewhere, but I doubt this should be in manual. Just my 0.02 cents.

DR>  but I agree with:

>> Second, if this goes in, the examples should be "done right". Right now
>> they look like more like PHP4 code then like PHP5 code.

DR> Derick

+1

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