> GH> Project map about what projects?
> 
> Project: PHPDOC
> Subprojects: PHPDOC TOOLS, LIVEDOCS, DOCWEB, USERNOTES
> 
> Project: PEAR
> Subprojects: PEARDOC, PEARDOC TOOLS, PEARWEB, PEAR AUTOMATION
> 
> Project: PHP.NET
> Subprojects: DEV-MASTER-WEB, DEV-BUGTRACK, SYSTEMS-MIRRORS, SYSTEMS-CVS,
> SYSTEMS-ML, PHP-WEB, PHP-NEWS, PHP-NET-AUTOMATION or PHP-NET-TOOLS
> 
> Project: PHP
> Subprojects: PHP4, PHP5, PHP6, PHP-EXTENSIONS-CORE, PHP-EMBED,
> PHP-ISAPI or PHP-INTEGRATION

> 1. Developers are not enough motivated
not true.
Developers work on what we WANT to work on, WHEN we want, unless someone
is paying them to work on something specific.

My instant livedocs, for example, has not evolved, primarily because:
lack of expressed interest from anyone but me and Goba, I haven't
received much feedback, I got hung up on a bug
(http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=33608), and:
> 2. Developers don't have enough time
That's the big one. I'm tasked at 100% right now, with working, working
[sic], raising a kid, and having a new house that needs care.

A roadmap won't help, here. We'll just miss deadlines, and become MORE
discouraged.

Unless, of course, you've got a few hundred thousand dollars to start a
foundation and hire people to be your roadmap-deadline-meeting minions.
If that's the case, by all means, start it up, and recruit developers!

(the foundation scenario is why roadmaps work for projects like Mozilla)

One thing I HAVE noticed, however, is the project-momentum phenomenon.
DocWeb is a perfect example. We go through commit-sprees -- someone
commits some changes, and then within a few days we see dozens of
commits.. a week later, the list is dead.

The best way to lead, here, is to step up, do some work, and rally the
troops, socially. If people are motivated, and they have time, they'll
jump on the project and contribute.

S

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