> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gabor Hojtsy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 16 April 2006 10:15
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 'PHPdoc'
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DOC] Re: [PHP-DEV] Summer of Code
> 
> Hi,
> 
> [Internals list left out of the loop, since they have nothing 
> to do with discussions on Livedocs]
> 
> Jared Williams wrote:
> >>+1 for someone cleaning up livedocs to a ready-to-deploy state :)
> > 
> > How about moving away from using system entities to construct the 
> > manual and using Xinclude instead? (See the mysql ref 
> manual docbook 
> > sources) This would make the base pages independent from 
> each other, and loadable into a DOMDocument, which could be 
> transformed with xslt.
> 
> 1. Livedocs needs to run on PHP 4, whether you like this or 
> not. Most mirror sites still run PHP 4, and livedocs' primary 
> goal is to get deployed on mirror sites.

Ah, that's a big hurdle then.

> 2. Until we can completely forget DSSSL, constructs supported 
> by that toolchain should be used. I tried to look into 
> XInclude support in DSSSL, but was unable to find proof or 
> negative information on it.
> [DSSSL tools generate the php.net manual pages, the 
> downloadable HTMLs and the basic CHM version, nearly all 
> things usable now :)]

Would have to pre-process with xmllint to resolve Xincludes first.
 
> 3. The DocBook XSLT sheets should also be compatible with the 
> change, since those generate the advanced CHMs now.
 
> 4. All phpdoc tools, check scripts, etc. working with system 
> entities should be updated.

> 5. Such a fundamental change should be made in all 
> translations at the same time, since all translations are 
> dependant on the English files being in the same environment.

Think the changes to manual can be automated. Use xmllint on the current manual 
to with -noent option to create "before" manual as a
single docbook. 
Alter /phpdoc/scripts/file-entities.php.in to output <!ENTITY name "<include 
xmlns=..>"> instead of system entities. And a script to
do the same dir scan, adding a header to each .xml. Then use xmllint -noent 
-xinclude to create an "after" manual to compare with
"before".
 

> If these are all solvable, then we can look into some simple 
> use case where we see the advantages of using XInclude. BTW 
> Livedocs uses PHP transformations instead of some 
> transformation language, because it is supposedly faster, not 
> because it is not possible to do standard transformations on 
> phpdoc AFAIK.

> Gabor
> 

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