Hi Hannes

Thanks for your e-mail, although design feedback is better to give, when still 
designing and not when coding is done already :-) Do you want us to mockup how 
the design could be adjusted slightly?

Cheers
Kian



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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Hannes Magnusson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. August 2008 11:59
An: G. T. Stresen-Reuter; Kian T. Gould - AOE media GmbH
Cc: PHP Documentation ML; PHP Webmaster ML
Betreff: Re: [PHP-DOC] [HEADSUP] New phpweb branch

Thanks for the feedback, appreciate it (sending it to our designer..) :)

-Hannes


On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46, G. T. Stresen-Reuter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2008, at 1:39 AM, Jean-Sébastien Goupil wrote:
>
>> That looks like really nice for now.
>> I have just few comments about the new design.
>>
>> Personally, the first thought I had was "Mmm, it looks like a little less
>> professional, but looks like the new era of web".
>>
>> And I spent just 10 minutes browsing it, I have no idea how far you are
>> with updating the design but I just want to tell you what I think:
>>  - the "code examples" don't stick out enough
>>  - and the user contribution looks like it's part of the actual
>> documentation content (I don't think it's good?)
>
> I know my feedback is unsolicited so I'll try to make it as constructive as
> possible...
>
> One principal of design is "contrast"[1]: make things sufficiently different
> to communicate their difference in meaning. For example, headers are
> sufficiently larger, bolder, or different in color so as to not be confused
> with other text elements that follow.
>
> I think there are three facets of the existing design that are good examples
> of contrast:
>    - the white space used between headings and body text;
>    - the light blue boxes on a white background for each section;
>    - the indenting of the Parameters section.
>
> I find that the contrast between elements in the new design is not
> sufficient enough (for my weary, old eyes) and requires a tad bit more
> mental focus to read.
>
> Also, I bumped up the size of the text in my browser by one notch and found
> things much easier to read. The text size is _really_ small in Safari.
>
> Although personally I like the rounded corners and color scheme, I think
> accessibility experts may find the lack of contrast between links and
> background to be less than ideal.[2]
>
> I know "design by committee" is an exercise in frustration so I hope my
> feedback isn't taken the wrong way and those responsible find *something*
> valuable in these comments.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Ted Stresen-Reuter
> http://tedmasterweb.com
>
> [1] The design principal of "CRAP" was originally presented in Robin
> William's The Non-Designer's Design Book and is partially reproduced here
>
> http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/design-better-with-crap.html
> [2] http://juicystudio.com/services/csstest.php#contrast

> http://anthonyshort.com.au/blog/comments/how-to-get-cross-browser-compatibility-everytime/
>
> and
>
> http://960.gs/
>
> I know I'm coming in late here so this really is FWIW...

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