Hi:

Thought more about this. There may be enough light for a pinhole scanner
camera if its used outside - Somebody run their scanner in the dark
and take a meter reading and see how much light it likes to use.  If a
pinhole used outside (or inside with enough illumination) to create this
lighting level it might work.

Most of the scanners that take a transparency adapter have some way of
turning off the interior lamp.  You would fool the scanner into thinking
it was scanning a transparecy but it would be taking a real iamge.

The exposure time would be controlled by the speed of the ccd element
travels across the image in much the same way that exposure is controlled
in a circuit camera.  The scanner software may to this - the transparency
adapters do not vary their output.  The scanner must have some way of
dealing with the different densities of transparencies.

Another way of making images would be for the ccd element to move toward
or away from the pinhole - the focal length of the image would change as
the ccd travels accross the image plane.  It would make a variable
anamorph image.  That would look interesting.

If its possible to control the rate that the ccd unit travels across the
scanner, or if its possible "to give" the scanner the lighting level it
expects it may be possible to make a scanner camera.  The latter could be
done by selecting an appropriate pinhole size if its bright enough
outside

But the rest of my ideas - altering the ccd travel and axis, this is very
much un-pinhole like - not simple or easy.  I think it would need a
programmer and an electronics hardware specialist to pull this off.  But
it would make some fascinating images :)

Gord

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Scott Walker wrote:

> Actually, if you think about it, it is not such an out-there idea. most of
> the first phase digital backs for 4x5's where scan back. The only reason a
> flat bed scanner emits light is so that it can scan the image inside a dark
> box. The actual ccd does emit any light itself. I've thought about
> experimenting with scanner back, but i don't have 10k to by a 4x5 scan back
> and i highly doubt the school would let me disassemble thiers.
>
> Scott Walker
>
> >
> > Sorry everyone, but this sounds NUTTY! How would you 'expose' for a long
> > enough period of time related to a pinhole exposure?! I think you'll
> > just get an out of focus scan of the inside of your 'pinhole box'. It's
> > the sanner that is projecting light out, not absorbing it like film.
> >
> > We do have good imaginations, though don't we, on this list;)
> >
> > Andrew
> >
>
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