Jordan Brown wrote:
...
> I was under the impression that one of the goals of IPS was to eliminate 
> the need for external installers.
> 

I think much of the issue in this thread is that the impression you're 
stating here is incorrect.  While there are IPS slides that say 
something like "get rid of installer magic", that statement was made, as 
I recall, in direct relation to how dependencies and groupings were 
handled (especially in relation to upgrades of software), not in 
relation to all of the possible configuration operations that are 
required to make complex software systems initially work, which is of 
course what is commonly referred to as "configuration".

Conflating configuration with package management is bound to be a 
mistake, pure and simple, because then the demand for complexity in the 
packaging system grows without bound.  The fact that the one product 
installer that's been released based on IPS (Caiman) is much simpler 
than the one it replaces has much more to do with our explicit decision 
to eliminate or defer configuration steps than with anything IPS is 
providing.  The approach that the UC wiki links that Tom provided seem 
to be right on.

Dave
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