In data sabato 30 settembre 2017 14:55:34 CEST, Adrian Bunk ha scritto:
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 01:28:54PM +0200, Pino Toscano wrote:
> > In data sabato 30 settembre 2017 13:17:43 CEST, Adrian Bunk ha scritto:
> > > libgpod-nogtk-dev was a transitional package removed in libgpod 0.8.3-9.
> > > 
> > > amarok is the only package build-depending on libgpod-nogtk-dev.
> > 
> > Even if amarok is the only rdep, the "first I break, then I file
> > serious bugs on rdeps" modus operandi is *not* a good way of
> > cooperating with other packagers in Debian.
> > Filing a bug some time before, or even writing an email, would have
> > been a much nicer, and cooperative, way.
> 
> amarok is not in testing and anyways needs a source upload for #784448.

This is because of the amarok status, although my note was for the
general way to work in Debian.

> It is also worth looking at the around 300 (sic) currently open RC bugs
> I have reported for FTBFS that were *not* caused by me [1]:

Sure, and that is completely not relevant with what I said, nor it can
even be used as "excuse" to "dump and file".

> Current status quo in Debian is that it is completely normal that
> a new upload of some package is followed by me filing 10-50 RC bugs
> against packages that FTBFS due to that change.

No, it is not.  You are mixing two things in the same pot:
a) breakages due to side-effect (possibly not known in advance) of new
   versions of packages
b) well-known breakages that some change is going to cause

My note was a general remark that for things in the (b) category above
a pre-emptive email/bug/etc to the interested rdeps *is* the optimal
way to interface with other people.  I do not care if other people just
dump stuff in unstable and expect other to clean up after the mess they
created -- it is simply *not* correct, not even fair.

> So when the only rdep is one package that is not in testing and anyways 
> requires a (non-trivial) sourceful upload for re-entering testing,
> I fail to see any reasonable justification for me to spend additional
> time on going through any process longer than just filing an RC bug.

And this is again this very specific case.

-- 
Pino Toscano

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