On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 02:04:58PM +0200, Pino Toscano wrote:
> In data sabato 30 settembre 2017 14:55:34 CEST, Adrian Bunk ha scritto:
>...
> > Current status quo in Debian is that it is completely normal that
> > a new upload of some package is followed by me filing 10-50 RC bugs
> > against packages that FTBFS due to that change.
> 
> No, it is not.  You are mixing two things in the same pot:
> a) breakages due to side-effect (possibly not known in advance) of new
>    versions of packages
> b) well-known breakages that some change is going to cause
>...

In the vast majority of the RC bugs I report, the sole difference
between a) and b) is whether the uploader bothered to check whether
the new package might break rdeps.

gtk-doc-tools 1.26 or Qt 5.9 likely breaking some rdeps is something 
that is known in advance.

> My note was a general remark that for things in the (b) category above
> a pre-emptive email/bug/etc to the interested rdeps *is* the optimal
> way to interface with other people.  I do not care if other people just
> dump stuff in unstable and expect other to clean up after the mess they
> created -- it is simply *not* correct, not even fair.

#872796 #873023 #873444 #872742 #873020 #874187

Do you consider it fair that I had to submit bugs to help clean up the 
mess created by the Qt maintainers dumping 5.9 into unstable without 
first checking that all their rdeps still build?

> > So when the only rdep is one package that is not in testing and anyways 
> > requires a (non-trivial) sourceful upload for re-entering testing,
> > I fail to see any reasonable justification for me to spend additional
> > time on going through any process longer than just filing an RC bug.
> 
> And this is again this very specific case.

I did this change as part of a QA upload also fixing one of these
FTBFS I reported but didn't cause (#876583).

With more rdeps I'd have added a Provides, but in this very specific 
case there was only one rdep that anyways needs an upload for 
re-entering testing.

> Pino Toscano

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Adrian

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