On Nov 5, 2010, at 6:16 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:
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On 11/05/2010 04:51 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
i'd probably go for a "pd-plugins-misc" (name to be discussed)
that distributes a number of _trivial_ 3rd party objects ("trivial"
meaning, that they don't justify separate packaging)
We are really talking about libraries, plugins is not an appropriate
word. Are python objects "plugins"? How about perl modules? Same
i was speaking more about the concept of "lumping together different
upstream projects" than the actual name (hence the parenthesized
As for packaging pd-arraysize together with other things, as far as I
know, it is not Debian practice to lump together different upstream
projects into a single package, I don't think its a good idea here
i think this is to be discussed on this list.
i don't know whether it's good practice, and esp. i don't know whether
its worse practice than creating a debian package for 2 smallish
It is not good practice, it is a special case based on the upstream
distribution that has existed for many years. Why exclude a useful
package purely because its only two small files? Shall we remove lots
of kernel modules for the same reason/
(esp. in this very case, where the help-patch is fully functional
without pd-pddp installed; having pd-pddp only allows to have a
clickable link in the help-patch for more information, instead of a
(harmless) error on the pd-console)
If by "fully" you mean except the part of the help patch that needs
'pddp'. ;-P The help patch uses an object in pd-pddp. That part
help patch won't work without it.
yes this is esactly what i mean by "fully".
the non-working object is mainly "cosmetical" (in a sense that it
directs you to further reading, but does not provide any primary
information). you should be able to get all the information you need
from the help-patch even with a non-functional [pddp/link] object (and
if not, then there is a serious problem with the help-patch, as it
you have to resort to online documentation)
i would sugggest to use a "Suggests: pd-pddp" at the most.
First off, its key to mention to those not familiar with Pd: the help
patches are fully functional scripts, not just static documentation.
So that means if pddp/link is not available, then that aspect of the
will not work (in this case pddp/link provides a clickable link to a
My question here is: why make things deliberately hostile for
newbies? The docs should work and not throw errors when the open
them. I can understand using Recommends if they are installed by
default with no user intervention. I'd prefer Depends for the above
reasons. I strongly disagree about using Suggests here.
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