On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 02:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 25, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 02:10:27PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 00:27, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at
I just pushed some changes to pd-cyclone that create a split-out
package called 'cyclist'. As far as I understand it, I don't
this new 'cyclist' package since its split off of the pd-cyclone
package, but it does need to go thru the NEW queue.
'cyclist' is a command line utility for converting file
built as part of the 'cyclone' library. Its the only thing in
that installs into /usr/bin and has a man page, so it made
sense to me
split it out. Then it can be installed on its own without
Its ready for a sponsor/uploader if you are ready for it. :)
It seems to me there isn't much point in having the cyclist
without pd. What is the use case of converting Max/MSP patches
not for importing into pd?
A search engine, perhaps?
It would be useful to Max/MSP users separate from Pd. And
useful to other computer music people. The binary file format is
only for Max/MSP, but the text file format is quite old, and used
number of other members of the Max family. Pd and jMax for
are free software, and Max/FTS and Max/ISPW which are specialty
versions of Max.
OK. The Recommends on cyclist by pd-cyclone is not clear to me. If
these tools have different use cases, then maybe recommends is too
strong a relationship.
Since the central goal of the 'cyclone' library is for running Max/
in Pd, and Max/MSP patches are usually distributed in the .mxb binary
format, I think it makes sense to Recommend: cyclist so that
can translate .mxb files to .pat/.mxt files, which Pd can directly
So, if I understand correctly, pd users still need to run cyclist,
even if they have pd-cyclone installed?
Yes, cyclist is only for converting the Max/MSP-specific binary .mxb
format to the more widely implemented text format .mxt/.pat. pd-
cyclone is a library that allows Pd to act more like Max/MSP, but Pd
only reads the .mxt/.pat format.
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