On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 16:29, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at> wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2010, at 4:09 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 02:09, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
>> wrote:
>>> On Dec 25, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 14:55, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 02:10:27PM -0300, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 00:27, Hans-Christoph Steiner <h...@at.or.at>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I just pushed some changes to pd-cyclone that create a split-out
>>>>>>>> binary
>>>>>>>> package called 'cyclist'.  As far as I understand it, I don't need
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> ITP
>>>>>>>> this new 'cyclist' package since its split off of the pd-cyclone
>>>>>>>> source
>>>>>>>> package, but it does need to go thru the NEW queue.
>>>>>>>> 'cyclist' is a command line utility for converting file formats that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> built as part of the 'cyclone' library.  Its the only thing in
>>>>>>>> 'pd-cyclone'
>>>>>>>> that installs into /usr/bin and has a man page, so it made sense to
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> split it out.  Then it can be installed on its own without puredata
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> Pd libraries.
>>>>>>>> Its ready for a sponsor/uploader if you are ready for it. :)
>>>>>>> It seems to me there isn't much point in having the cyclist binary
>>>>>>> without pd. What is the use case of converting Max/MSP patches into
>>>>>>> text, if
>>>>>>> not for importing into pd?
>>>>>> A search engine, perhaps?
>>>>> It would be useful to Max/MSP users separate from Pd.  And perhaps also
>>>>> useful to other computer music people.  The binary file format is
>>>>> really
>>>>> only for Max/MSP, but the text file format is quite old, and used by a
>>>>> number of other members of the Max family.  Pd and jMax for example,
>>>>> which
>>>>> are free software, and Max/FTS and Max/ISPW which are specialty
>>>>> proprietary
>>>>> versions of Max.
>>>> OK. The Recommends on cyclist by pd-cyclone is not clear to me. If
>>>> these tools have different use cases, then maybe recommends is too
>>>> strong a relationship.
>>> Since the central goal of the 'cyclone' library is for running Max/MSP
>>> files
>>> in Pd, and Max/MSP patches are usually distributed in the .mxb binary
>>> format, I think it makes sense to Recommend: cyclist so that 'cyclone'
>>> users
>>> can translate .mxb files to .pat/.mxt files, which Pd can directly read.
>> So, if I understand correctly, pd users still need to run cyclist,
>> even if they have pd-cyclone installed?
> Yes, cyclist is only for converting the Max/MSP-specific binary .mxb format
> to the more widely implemented text format .mxt/.pat.  pd-cyclone is a
> library that allows Pd to act more like Max/MSP, but Pd only reads the
> .mxt/.pat format.

OK then.

You edited debian/control, but Jonas added debian/control.in for
build-dependencies autogeneration. If you disagree about the use of
debian/control.in, we should disable it. If not, we should use it. But
having it and not using it does not seem a sane option.


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