On 11-06-13 at 05:28pm, Dan S wrote: > 2011/6/13 Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk>: > > On 11-06-13 at 01:22pm, Dan S wrote: > >> 2011/6/13 Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk>: > >> > On 11-06-13 at 03:14am, Felipe Sateler wrote: > >> >> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 22:40, Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> Actually, for "*" the listing of "Copyright: 2002-2003, James > >> >> >> McCartney" is out of date. I would change it to "Copyright: > >> >> >> 2002-2011, James McCartney and others" - that OK? There are many > >> >> >> dozens of code contributors so I hope "others" is not too weird. > >> >> > > >> >> > "others" is not a legal entity. > >> >> > > >> >> > What needs to be listed in Files sections is the actual copyright > >> >> > holders, not all contributors. > >> >> > >> >> There is not full consensus around this idea. If one can be > >> >> reasonably sure that the work is under the listed license, my > >> >> personal take on the subject is that one lists all the copyright > >> >> holders on a best effort basis. It can perfectly be possible, > >> >> especially with large and relatively old packages, that names are > >> >> forgotten/lost. That doesn't mean the package is not fit for debian > >> >> because the copyright file cannot list all copyright holders. > >> >> > >> >> In other words, I believe it is acceptable to put "others" in the > >> >> Files sections, when filling the complete list is too hard. > >> > > >> > I did not write that all others need to be documented. > >> > > >> > On the contrary, when those others are contributors without holding > >> > copyright, I believe they need not be listed. > >> > >> OK. This can be implemented simply by using the names given in the > >> copyright statements, as has been done in the package at present. > >> However, there are quite a few contributors who have made > >> contributions of sufficient complexity (etc) to claim copyright, but > >> who didn't bother to change the copyright notices. Should I ignore > >> them, or what? I could say "it's their fault for not claiming their > >> copyright" but at least in my country (UK) you don't need to claim > >> copyright in order to have it, so in a sense I should attribute them > >> even if they forgot to attribute themselves. > >> > >> To be honest, I guess it's probably OK as-is (without "others"), > >> though it does feel a little unrepresentative. > > > > That is new info to me, and changes the game! > > > > As Debian maintainer, when you are well aware that additional copyright > > holders exist then they should be properly listed in debian/copyright. > > > > Best way to do that is to convince upstream (i.e. yourself with another > > hat on) to explicitly list all copyright holders as such in headers of > > corresponding code files. > > > > There are (sub-optimal!) alternatives. One is to only list them in > > debian/copyright (i.e. not bother as upstream - affecting other > > distributors). Another is as upstream to summarize in README or > > CONTRIBUTORS or AUTHORS or similar, and as Debian maintainer copy that > > chunk into debian/copyright. > > > > I do not consider it acceptable for Debian distribution to just list > > some copyright holders as "...and others". Feel free to disagree with > > me - I am not the law here, just very interested in perfecting these > > texts, to most properly honour those contributing to the FLOSS world. > > You can consult debian-legal@ or you can take your chances and hope > > ftpmasters do not spot the issues and block based on it. > > That's fine - grateful for your opinion. SuperCollider does have an > AUTHORS file (44 entries), which I think represents certainly the > majority of copyright-holders very well. Shall I use that for the "*" > rule, do you think? It feels appropriate to me.
It does not feel appropriate to me to only list "the majority". The majority of contributors, sure, but IMO Debian packaging needs all copyright holders. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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