Mostly for the record... I asked Michael Biebl about this bug report and if it's time to reconsider it for Buster. He mentioned it probably should and that he now sees the journal as being mature and robust enough, but that he does not have time to work on it. The same likely goes for the rest of the Debian systemd maintainers team as well. The main blocker is now thus getting the job done.
There where some discussion on irc following this that I'll try to summarize, mostly paraphrasing: The main issue is making sure there's consensus on the change. Implementation wise: - we should make sure to not store logs twice, so (r)syslog daemon should not be part of the default install once this is done. - should /var/log/journal be created by a separate package or not? - Should the package creating /var/log/journal have Provides: system-log-daemon, kernel-log-daemon ? That would make a syslog daemon uninstallable, as all of them Conflict/Provides/Replaces system-log-daemon. Not adding the provides was suggested, but then the rdeps of system-log-daemon (primarily anacron which is part of default install) would pull in a system log daemon and we would have double logging. The discussion was leaning towards all rdeps needing fixing. - (How to handle updates? Consensus seemed to be towards no change on updates.) Are you interested in helping out making this happen? Speak up! (I'm interested to work on this myself, but my time is also quite limited so it might not happen for buster unless others also help out.) system-log-daemon rdeps: $ grep-dctrl -FDepends,Recommends system-log-daemon -sSource:Package < /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-amd64_Packages | uniq Package: anacron Package: approx Package: cloudprint Package: fwlogwatch Package: heartbeat Source: inetutils Package: logcheck Source: ltsp Package: lyskom-server Package: nullmailer Package: prelude-lml Package: psad Package: request-tracker4 Source: resource-agents Package: rlinetd Package: snort Package: sympa Package: xinetd Package: zoneminder Regards, Andreas Henriksson _______________________________________________ Pkg-systemd-maintainers mailing list Pkg-systemd-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-systemd-maintainers