> ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------- > From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <ase...@kde.org> > To: plasma-devel@kde.org > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:22:41 -0800 > Subject: the next step on the desktop > > my proposal is this: > [...] > * a new panel layout (TBD: let's work on this together!) >
Panels, in the current implementation, are shared across different activities: what about adding an option like "stick to current activity", in order to achieve different panels for different activities? That would be great imho because, in some activities I'm using, I don't really need the default panel with the notification applet, application launcher and clock, and I would be happy to replace it with a smaller panel with some "common used applications" launchers, and a big side panel with microblog and rss plasmoid. That's just my two cents and use-case, tho :) Cheers, Diego > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > humru othro a kohnu se > GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 > > KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks > > > ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------- > From: "Aaron J. Seigo" <ase...@kde.org> > To: plasma-devel@kde.org > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:38:32 -0800 > Subject: Re: the next step on the desktop > On Sunday, January 30, 2011, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > my proposal is this: > > forgot: > > * a selection of pre-made activities (not running) including a trad desktop > / > folderview thig > > -- > Aaron J. Seigo > humru othro a kohnu se > GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 > > KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks > > > ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------- > From: Markus Slopianka <marku...@kdemail.net> > To: plasma-devel@kde.org > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:17:00 +0100 > Subject: Re: the next step on the desktop > Am Montag 31 Januar 2011, 02:22:41 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo: > > hi... > > > > back when we started the path towards plasma i said that we needed to > > slowly evolve the desktop beyond the desktop folder with icons littered > on > > the desktop. > > > > now we have activities, kick-ass containments like search and launch and > > grouping desktop. > > > > it is time to go to that next step and move people away from the old > ways. > > > > i was at a friend's house last night where a bunch of people gathered to > > hang out, chat, play games, etc. there was a desktop system there running > > plasma desktop with the search and launch containment and a gorgeous > > translucent panel couresty of kwin. > > > > i saw it and hardly recognized it: it looked new, amazing, the next > thing. > > it looked amazing. > > > > so, here's my suggestion for 4.7: > > > > let's try something big and new. let's make that Big Move and step away > > from ~/Desktop. > > Frankly, I like my dumping ground. > > > my proposal is this: > > > > * by default, Search and Launch on the desktop > > What do you mean by that? Full screen SAL like on Plasma Netbook? Then one > could just use > that. However, if you mean a SAL plasmoid is the corner of the screen or a > new top bar > with a search bar and an extender than displays the icons (or another > approach that > combines both metaphors), I'd be fine with that. > As long as KDE's file search and indexing mechanism is still broken > <http://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/2011/01/30/opensuse-11-4-kde-testing/>, > I see more > frustration than benefit. I could be wrong, though. > > > * improve the tasks widget to have some of the nice features of widgets > > like "smooth tasks" with the mouse over highlights > > I'd be happy if I could disable the scroll wheel for starters... > > > > * an "activities" widget (i'll hapilly write it) that sits next to the > app > > launcher and when clicked brings up the actvities manager > > * an activities switcher as a kwin effect (!) > > * have all activities avaiable in kactivitmanagerd, even if they are > > "stopped" in plasma-desktop > > It seems to me that programmers with their fully cramped task bars (IDE, > terminals, > debuggers, SCM frontends,...) are bigger fans of activities than the common > persons with > music player and browser open alone and -- if they are cutting edge -- even > separate chat > and mail clients. > Personally, I'd rather have an actually good Dock implementation that > merges launcher, > task switcher, and systray in a single icon for each app. But that's > possibly the former > Mac user speaking inside me. > > I'm willing to try alternative approaches with an open mind, though. > Especially when I can > try them in my 4.6 installation (I'm assuming QML plasmoids and activity > templates can be > used for that kind of stuff). > Maybe I can come up with a mockup for something different myself in the > coming days. > > Markus > > > > ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ---------- > From: todd rme <toddrme2...@gmail.com> > To: plasma-devel@kde.org > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 22:00:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: the next step on the desktop > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Aaron J. Seigo <ase...@kde.org> wrote: > > hi... > > > > back when we started the path towards plasma i said that we needed to > slowly > > evolve the desktop beyond the desktop folder with icons littered on the > > desktop. > > > > now we have activities, kick-ass containments like search and launch and > > grouping desktop. > > > > it is time to go to that next step and move people away from the old > ways. > > > > i was at a friend's house last night where a bunch of people gathered to > hang > > out, chat, play games, etc. there was a desktop system there running > plasma > > desktop with the search and launch containment and a gorgeous translucent > > panel couresty of kwin. > > > > i saw it and hardly recognized it: it looked new, amazing, the next > thing. it > > looked amazing. > > > > so, here's my suggestion for 4.7: > > > > let's try something big and new. let's make that Big Move and step away > from > > ~/Desktop. > > > > my proposal is this: > > I have some extensions to this, more blue-sky and not necessarily feasible: > > > * by default, Search and Launch on the desktop > > * an icon in this S&L that takes you to your desktop folder .. in a file > > manager. > > I think this is potentially a good idea, but I think as it currently > stands it denigrates the importance of widgets on the desktop. > > My suggestions would be: > 1. Break the S&L containment into categories. Applications, > bookmarks, and contacts already exist. Add some additional > categories: places, devices, and widgets come to mind. These would > all be kio slaves under the hood. Places would allow you to navigate > the file system from within the S&L interface, devices would show > removable devices and let you manage and browse them, and widgets > would let you launch individual plasma widgets within the S&L > interface. Individual items and categories from all of these could be > dragged to the favorites at the top, and individual categories can be > turned on and off. Clicking on a category or sub-category in the > favorites would jump straight to it. > > 2. Add breadcrumb navigation next to the "back" button to make it easy > to get back to specific levels. > > 3. Let users resize the favorites bar and add widgets to it. Widgets > will take the panel form-factor, but if the favorites bar is sized > large enough they should switch to the desktop form-factor (as they > are supposed to do on existing panels). The favorites bar can scroll > if you put too much in it. > > > > * a new panel layout (TBD: let's work on this together!) > > * improve the tasks widget to have some of the nice features of widgets > like > > "smooth tasks" with the mouse over highlights > > Some other possible improvements: > - Application control interfaces moved from the system tray to the > task manager (I recall you mentioning this before). > - More focus on thumbnails. For instance smooth tasks lets you close > applications from the thumbnails. There should also be prettier ways > to deal with groups with large numbers members > - I think it would be nice if applications had some way to extend the > thumbnail display. For instance put buttons on it, or have a pop-up > button to show extra thumbnails (such as thumbnails of tabs you can > select). This may not be feasible using existing desktop standards, > though. > > > * an "activities" widget (i'll hapilly write it) that sits next to the > app > > launcher and when clicked brings up the actvities manager > You mean like this: > > http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Activity+Manager+Plasmoid?content=136278 > > Also, if we are going with S&L, having a list of activities available > within the S&L interface would probably be a good idea, especially if > you are intending it to be a jumping-off point for other activities. > > > * an activities switcher as a kwin effect (!) > See here: > http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea90912 > > > > * have all activities avaiable in kactivitmanagerd, even if they are > "stopped" > > in plasma-desktop > > > > thoughts? > > - Why are you restricting it to one panel? Having several panels by > default with different sizes and shapes for different sets of items > might be at least worth considering. > > - It might be worth looking into merging the pager and activity > manager. A side benefit might be that we can get thumbnails on hover > with the pager. > > - It might be worth re-visiting whether the current default > application launcher is optimal. Launchers like lancelot and raptor > have some interesting ideas, and I have seen some other ideas batted > around as well (such as an application launcher using a grid view > instead of a list view). > > - If you are looking for appearance ideas, this has some interesting > ones: > http://icey-net.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Concept-Design-FULL-158871634 > Some stuff is good, some stuff isn't as good, but it might be helpful. > I especially like the lights underneath the applications in the task > manager. It actually looks a lot more like plasma with smooth tasks > and lancelot launcher than anything that has ever been in Ubuntu, but > the artist is apparently unaware of KDE. > > -Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > Plasma-devel mailing list > Plasma-devel@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel > > -- H: Who is Watson without Sherlock Holmes? G: Watson was a genius in his own right. My personal blog: http://polentino911.wordpress.com/
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