Le 25/10/2011 16:40, Martin Gräßlin a écrit :
On Tuesday 25 October 2011 14:14:03 Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
And yes this is clearly Workspace and not application related. We as the
workspace define how an application has to look like and how it has to
behave.
The statusbar is inside the application window, so I disagree this is a
workspace issue.
My personal opinion is that the Workspace has to define how the windows have
to behave and it is the task of the Workspace to enforce some consistancy on
the applications if it has to be. (Compare global menu or Notify OSD at that
comany in your mail address ;-)
I disagree.
- Regarding global menu, unless you want to do a "global statusbar",
then this is an application-specific topic.
- Regarding notifications, there is an interest in getting them
centralized so it is a workspace issue.
As we see that the application developers fail to improve the UI (exceptions
are there as usual - e.g. Dolphin, Gwenview or rekonq) we could even go so far
to say that it is the responsibility of the part of our workspace experience
which works on having a consistant UI and a clear interaction concept.
The correct fix is rather to raise awareness of UI issues within KDE
application developers and to discuss these issues with their
developers. We tried the dictator approach during the last kde-ux
sprint, redesigning k3b without getting the k3b developers involved. The
changes did not end up being picked up by k3b developers: we just wasted
one precious morning of a 3-day sprint.
In fact with Plasma Active we are already doing a top-down approach on the app
from the workspace. We just never did on the desktop, because we "trust" the
application developers to do the best.
I haven't yet seriously used Plasma Active to have an opinion on its
design (I plan to) but I do not consider Plasma Desktop as the best
example of well thought-out design. That makes me uncomfortable thinking
what would come up of the approach you are proposing.
Aurélien
Aurélien
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