On Thursday 30 May 2013 22:46:05 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Thursday, May 30, 2013 16:00:14 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > On Thursday 30 May 2013 13:10:50 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > > On Thursday, May 30, 2013 09:13:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > * It often starts at an unpredictable time due to the mechanics of the > > > startup procedure and the wonder that is free software audio; this is > > > only > > > going to become worse as we move to increasingly parallelized startup > > > where > > > dependencies are determined at runtime by access (the systemd model, > > > e.g.) > > > > Yes, Free Software audio is a mess, but I agree with Djuro here that > > working around the mess by disabling sounds would not help getting the > > mess fixed. > we use sound in many other places. there is no need to remind people how > unhappy this part of the stack is as one of the first things we great them > with on log in. > > put another way: the log in sound is not going to undermine the need for > improvements in the audio stack as we have many, many other functional use > cases that compel us to do so. > > given that the log in sound is not functional (but purely aesthetic and/or > for branding) i have to object to presenting it to people if we can not do > so in a non-broken way. (similar to our approach to compositing at the > start of 4.x, back when things were really broken and shaky)
Agreed. So getting the login sound to work correctly may be a side effect of fixing the sound stack for other, more important reasons ;) > > > * They are annoying as hell (regardless of platform). We've opted for > > > elegance for the user rather than attempts to inject our brand into the > > > environment. > > > > A long startup tune like we currently have may indeed be annoying (and > > even > > short ones occasionally are), but I would not consider a startup sound > > "not > > elegant" per se. > > given the youtube videos that mock them, i would beg to differ :) > > for me, i don't particularly like the idea of imposing something that is not > elegant on our users just to forward our own goals of branding (e.g.). the > person we make this stuff for should come first imho. > > so if we manage to have a good sound, it needs to be something soothing, > simple and well timed. a wave hitting a beach would do it for me, but then i > grew up by the ocean ;) I grew up pretty far away form the ocean but that still sounds like a nice idea to me :) > > > Things that could improve the above and which would cause at least me to > > > > re- assess this decision: > ... > > > So I'd suggest we encourage Ernesto to create a new, short, and overall > > better new sound instead of implying "Don't waste your time, it's disabled > > yes, i think that's what i wrote above :) Okay, I'll pick the discussion up again when we have good ideas for login sounds and a working sound stack. So Ernesto, time to shine ;) _______________________________________________ Plasma-devel mailing list Plasma-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel
