On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Vishesh Handa <m...@vhanda.in> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:53:16 AM Marco Martin wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know the discussion was already pretty long :/ but we have to continue > it. > > > > To recap the issue, is to not have too many ways to search stuff, to > give a > > good unified design direction and to decrease what's called the "gulf of > > execution" > > Sure. If that is actually the issue. I honestly don't see anything wrong > with > having multiple places to search. Also, if you really want to go down this > track then one could argue for mapping Alt + F2 to Kickoff instead of > krunner. > Well you don't want users to search for where to search, right? > > > i.e. deciding what's the type of thing i have to search, therefore where > i > > have to click in order to search it, this slowes down the process. > > > > (to be clear, I think milou is awsome and my dream would be to have > *only* > > that without any start menu nonsense, but we recently seen a certain > > operating system that tried to remove the start menu and we know how well > > it ended ;) > > > > We clearly need to address both search and browsing of applications. > > Though I don't think the lesson from windows should be that "start menus > are > always required". The lesson could be that different UIs are better suited > for > different tasks. We in KDE are doing a good job of keeping that in mind. > > > So, i tried to see how kickoff would look if we try to integrate milou > into > > it, the result is in the branch > > mart/balookickoff in he repo plasma-desktop, open to testing/feedback/etc > > (even if it doesn't get used in the end, is a good guinea pig) > > > > so here is how it looks: > > * the search field is always visible: the magic type to search was > > considered an inconsistency, unless it becomes a common pattern in KDE: > > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopYr1734.png > > > > * i tried with just stuffing the milou search results in it, indeed > looks a > > bit inconsistent: > > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopif1734.png > > > > Maybe you want to try it out with Baloo for KF5 installed? That way you'll > get > more search results - http://wstaw.org/w/2DTN/ > > > * so, let's try to use the kickoff delegates instead: > > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopQZ1734.png > > > > * but wait, now very few results fit in the window.. let's try to zoom > out: > > http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/17/plasma-desktopNl1734.png > > > > so now, the status of master is that it shows small results as in the > last > > screenshot, if there are many, if there are few, (less than 10 atm, may > > become more dynamic) it shows bigger delegates as in the second to last > > result. besides looking more consistent, it also shows a good feedback to > > "you narrowed the search" , you "zoomed in" > > > > comments? ;) > > It's doesn't look bad, but it is inconsistent. > > How about we take a step back and re-evaluate all of this after this > initial > release? We had discussed on the sprint how we would re-evaluate the > default > launcher (homerun-kicker vs normal kicker). We can also talk about how we > want > to best integrate the search experience in Plasma. > > -- > Vishesh Handa > _______________________________________________ > Plasma-devel mailing list > Plasma-devel@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/plasma-devel > -- Shantanu Tushar (UTC +0530) http://www.shantanutushar.com
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