Ken, Thanks for sharing, the info is definitely helpful.
Thanks, Carol On 10/25/12 10:07 AM, ctxlken wrote: > Hi Ed, > > I attended a WordCamp in Chicago just a couple months ago. I have lots > of notes regarding common plugins used, load-testing, caching tools > commonly used, etc., but in terms of the main Plone v WordPress > differences, I noticed these: > > WP conferences have a lot more focus on the end user, on > marketing/commercial sites, and on SEO topics than Plone events. > > WP developers/hosters spend a lot of time fighting security > vulnerabilities and their server IP being blacklisted (since it's > typical for a WP site to be on the same server as 100 other WP sites) - > a LOT! And it scares the hell out of the marketing/management people at > these events to hear so much conversation about 'How do you guys fight > this?' from one dev to the other. > > As with many tools, some of the 'cool factor' features of WP need to be > disabled, if you want to have a secure site, evidently, such as the > 'Plugin Editor', in particular. > > WP still has limited workflow capabilities and there is no built-in > global dashboard of security settings, where you click on/off checkboxes > to give fine-grained permissions. And most add-ons don't register > specific permissions to be managed from some general security settings > dashboard, though I did hear of some plugin that purports to handle > this, but again, if the other plugins don't even think that you'll be > managing permissions so much, they tend to not define said permissions > to do fine-grained things - they're usually very general permissions, as > in 'Admin' who gets to do everything, 'Viewer', and 'Editor' - some user > in between who can maybe edit a post, but not remove them, etc. > > I did see a talk on using a script to set fine-grained permissions, > since there is no good UI for doing so, but again, it's still dependent > on the plugins defining fine-grained permissions, so that you can set > permissions at a more granular level, and many plugins don't do that. > > Many of the top, most useful WP plugins are commercial. Many people use > something called 'Jetpack'. But I got the impression that to use some > of its better features, you needed to have your WP site hosted on one of > their preferred hosting vendors. Don't take my word for that, though. > > Many WP plugins provide really neat features, but have really poor > performing queries that can drag your site down (e.g., 'Smart Tags' that > makes a matrix of keywords-to-tags or something and performs some > horrible multi-table-join queries in doing so.) Users tend to just keep > adding more and more plugins to try things out and never remove them, > slowing down their site (with the mere existence of those plugins in > place.) This is true with Plone too, but not to the same extent, since > with WP, installing a new plugin is a simple point-and-click - no > restart of any services, usually. > > Hopefully, some of this helps. Thanks for "representin'" Plone! It's > good for us to go to these types of events to see how we stack up. > > Thanks, > Ken > > > > On 10/25/12 8:26 AM, Ed Manlove-2 [via Plone] wrote: >> I'm attending a local WordCamp [1] in a couple of days - proudly wearing >> my Plone T-Shirt - and wanted to brush up on my Plone vs. WordPress >> talking points. All of my Plone work has either been on my own project >> or within Plone core (RTL, UI testing, i18n, etc) so I've never really >> looked outwards too closely. I going to do some searching around but >> wanted to see if anyone, in particular our Plone development shops, have >> any notes when they talk/work with customers on showing the value of >> Plone as compared to Wordpress. 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