On 2 Mar 2002 at 9:00, David A. Desrosiers wrote:

>       The icon is what, 20 pixels high? If I have a page loading, and the
> viewer is thinking (the _MOST_ complicated page I've viewed, has taken 20
> seconds to render. I've honestly tried to break it by shoving a huge
> complicated page at it =). Let's say it's 4-5 seconds, which is about
> average for a good sized database. Do you honestly read the full 160 high
> page in 4 seconds, or have so much obscured by a 20-pixel element that it
> makes the application unusable?

It is not unusable, just a personal annoyance to have the text obscured by something 
and can't get it out of the way. Most pages that I read (like the BBC) have a top 
links 
toobar, or byline/image acoss the top and the actual content only of the page only 
starts about 1/3 of the the page down. In 4-5 seconds, I do reach the middle of the 
text 
in 20 seconds and which I run into an obstruction.

> > OTOH, one loses any feedback once the toolbar is switched off: click
> > open a long page with no toolbar and try to scroll up and down and there
> > is no response to scrolling; the device seems frozen.
> 
>       Another reason for an in-the-middle indicator, or.. those who decide
> to switch it off should realize that there will be no notification of their
> content loading, wait periods, etc. I haven't yet seen a user who has
> launched Plucker, and IMMEDIATELY turned off the toolbar before even loading
> one single database into the viewer.

I agree, and was thinking the same thing. By the time you turn off the toolbar you are 
probably well on your way.
 
>       My suggestion to add a 3D capability to it was to add depth, not to
> make it look like the other icons. In fact, it should _NOT_ resemble the
> other icons in color or style. If you add a "dropshadow" (ala under-mouse
> cursor on Win2000 and XP), the menu can then look like a real menu in the
> limited space we have available there.

I don't quite get your suggestion yet, but am interested. Could you specify a bit 
more? 
I don't have Win2000 or XP so don't know what they look like. 

Best wishes,
Robert

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