Clojure is lisp on the JVM and it's certainly a plenty capable 
language/ecosystem.  My exposure to lisp has been pretty minimal and limited to 
Scheme/Racket, but I've been told by some more serious lispers that clojure is 
the practical "getting things done" lisp.  Being on the JVM means it's fast but 
it's run time doesn't provide a new earth-shattering paradigm like beam does 
for Erlang.  I think clojure exists to provide a solid runtime for people who 
know they want to write code in lisp and are choosing a lisp dialect rather 
than a language.

This is not a knock against lisp by the way.  I firmly believe every programmer 
should learn lisp, no exceptions.  Lisp gives you such great perspective on 
every other language that even if you never actually use it for anything real 
taking a weekend to learn the basics is more than worthwhile, but if you don't 
already swear by lisp I would skip over clojure until you do.
--
Paul Mooring
Systems Engineer and Customer Advocate

www.opscode.com

From: Eric Cope <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Reply-To: Main PLUG discussion list 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:28 AM
To: Main PLUG discussion list 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: PHP lifespan

Hey Paul,
Any experience with Clojure? All benchmarking I've seen points to incredible 
performance - http://clojure.org/rationale

Eric


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Carl Parrish 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I can only speak from my experience but I'm noticing a lot of projects that 
once would have been done in PHP are now being done in Python. While Ruby is my 
favorite language *I'm* not seeing as much interest from clients in it as I am 
in Python. I think it's safe to say that PHP is going to be around for awhile 
that said I think its going to start declining as more Python developers start 
to hit the market.

On Apr 5, 2013, at 12:25 PM, keith smith wrote:



Hi,  I do not want to start any flame wars.  I would like to open a discussion 
though.

I was thinking of what the life span of PHP might be.  I have lived through a 
number of them.

In the early 80's COBOL was still taught and was in use.  I know it is still 
around, however I do not think anyone would choose COBOL for a new project.

I also lived through the whole dBase, Clipper, FoxBase+, and Visual FoxPro 
cycle.  FoxPro was acquired by M$ 15 or 18 years ago, which started it's slow 
decline.  M$ finally killed it last year.

So I am wondering about PHP.  What might it's lifespan be?  What might be the 
next big thing... etc.

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

------------------------
Keith Smith
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