This is interesting.  Most think a mill a year in sales is a lot.  It really is 
not.  Not from my experience.  If you are doing a mill a year online you 
probably have a lot of overhead.  

You talk about doing the reporting on line.  Who is going to do it and how is 
going to ensure the right info is reported?  Someone will work more or an 
additional person will be required.

And I do not think we would " pipe xen cart on LAMP into quick books on windows 
real time"  The correct amount of sales tax must be figure during the sale 
based on local.

I work with these issues on a daily basis. it is going to be a nightmare.

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--- On Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Bryan O'Neal <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:31 PM

Data exchange can be done - If I can pipe xen cart on LAMP into quick books on 
windows real time after a weekend of playing around I am sure some one like 
intuit will have way to cover you. That said - it will take a year or two for 
the dust to settle and it will cost people to comply. But if you sell $1M/year 
and you can not afford a $1500 bump in expenses I would say your margins are 
too thin to survive. As far as remittance most states allow you to do the 
monthly remittance online. I wrote a simple script for the sate of AZ so again, 
I think biger software companies can handle making it very simple for you. And 
again, if you are doing a mill in sales and you are not using some form of 
software that has active development you will have problems.
What I am trying to say is the concept is not as daunting as it may sound. The 
problem is not in the concept, however the execution will be very painful. And 
this will cause a lot of problems for a lot of people.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM, keith smith <[email protected]> wrote:


It will not be as simple as tying one software package into another.  What if 
the provided software runs on Win8 and your cart is running on a LAMP server?


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--- On Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Bryan O'Neal <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]>

Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:11 PM

The real problem is internal US internet sales will be less competitive.  The 
regulations will be difficult at first but within a few years they will just 
tie the sales software into the tax software and it will be easy to calculate 
and deal with in real time with very little additional cost. The solution to 
competition is either use of an import tax or forcing compliance on any one who 
sells inside the us. And
 our sales to the outside will not be effected because other countries are not 
doing this... So purchasing from the US if you happen to be in some non US 
company looks just the same. In all truth... Sales tax is more progressive then 
income tax, so.... I am not sure I have an issue with it more then the 
predefined statement that TAXES ARE TOO DAM HIGH!



On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jason Poulter <[email protected]> wrote:


It will just force people to buy things from sites and countries where they 
don't collect taxes , so really justs hurt the economy more losing out on sales 
that make economy better



Eric Cope <[email protected]> wrote:


http://blog2.easydns.org/2013/05/07/go-ahead-pass-the-internet-tax-your-foreign-competitors-thank-you-in-advance/






On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stephen <[email protected]> wrote:



I also envision allot of quote building instead of online direct purchase. 


On May 7, 2013 1:43 PM, "keith smith" <[email protected]> wrote:






Great idea.  Phone orders only, placed through a local terminal not the 
website.  Excellent!!



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--- On Tue, 5/7/13, James Finstrom <[email protected]> wrote:






From: James Finstrom <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate

To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]>




Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:11 AM

I predict "call to order" then the sale is not an "internet sale".
Much like companies are cutting employee hours to avoid obamacare people will 
find a way to avoid this. 








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Great.. one more way to KILL small business by making them less competitive and 
increasing their overhead.  Companies will just adapt to this BS (and regular 
employees will pay for it).. getting close to 1M/year... time to SPLIT THE 
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On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> wrote:









Keith:

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, keith smith <[email protected]> wrote:









The U.S. Senate passed the Internet Sales Tax Bill.  Jeff Flake's office says 
he voted against it and John McCain's office said he voted FOR it.











It is being reported there in some 9,600 taxing authorities in the U.S.  Add to 
that 560 or so Indian tribe taxing authorities. That is over 10,000 taxing 
authorities.  Yikes!!  Any company with 1 million in sales will be required to 
comply.  I can tell you that a company that has 1 million in sales is not a big 
company.  That online retailer might consist of 2 or 3 employees with some 
additional help from a number of consultants and potentially a fulfillment 
center. 











>From first hand experience, I would say this law, if passed by the U.S. House, 
>will cause a bunch of small online retailers to either go out of business or 
>reduce sales through raising prices or some other
 method.  

This may very well play out like ObamaCare where companies are reducing the 
hours of their employees so they have less than 50 full-time employees.   In 
other words we will experience the unintended consequences of these laws.











These polices effect each of us.  

Yikes, yes!  And that will provide the revenue to expand Internet government 
regulation and compliance.  










Sadly, it had to happen. 









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