Boy did I get my money's worth.  All I wanted to know was if there was a 
migration away from the list, mainly AZPHP.  I got one education!!

Thanks!!

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Keith Smith

--- On Tue, 5/7/13, Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Lisa Kachold <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How to promote Plug's value - was: Are Social Networks ...
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 8:07 PM

Brian, 

You failed to, in an open source type discussion, address my questions in line 
repeatedly.  Go to Gnome or Kernel Development or Fedora, or Redhat listservers 
and questions are posed and answered.   

Our listservers are made for such open discussion. Our charter as a LUG demands 
it.
Our structure should be documented and discussed when someone brings forth such 
questions IN PRINT.  People who cannot attend a meeting  (like me) due to 
schedule or other commitments, have questions.  If any of my questions and 
statements are wrong; the listserver and email format provides for COMMUNITY 
DISCOURSE.

Is this a secret society?  You can't point me to a place that addresses who 
does what, how officers are elected, and steering committee members assigned, 
or projects accepted. AND if one HAS to come to a once a month meeting in order 
to interact with that process, again, we are failing our mission with Open 
Source LUG for this community.

On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Brian Cluff <[email protected]> wrote:

This is the last thing I will say on this subject.  Lisa, You don't know what 
you are talking about.  You are throwing wild accusations around that have no 
basis in fact.



PLUG is a meritocracy, plain and simple.  Hans does not and never has appointed 
anyone to the steering committee.



Are the steering committee posted on the website, no, but it's hardly a secret 
who they are when the person MCing the meeting introduces the steering entire 
committee most every month.



What you are doing is some really terrible arm chair quarterbacking, that is 
amounting to wondering why people aren't tackling each other while watching a 
basketball game.  The only reason I ever replied to any of your posts is so 
that I didn't leave your opinion hanging out there where people might think 
that what you are saying is based on facts... it's not.  (It seems to be based 
on some beef with Hans, if anything)




Please come and join us for a few meetings and find out how things really work. 
 If you want to participate in decisions about PLUG, we have an open meeting 
every month before the PLUG meeting, starting at 6pm.  We also have a mailing 
list devoted to planning plug events that we coordinate actions between 
meetings.  We often times have meetings before and/or after Stammtiche, but 
they are on an as needed basis and are almost always announced widely when we 
have them.




Brian Cluff



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