http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/


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Keith Smith

--- On Wed, 5/29/13, Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Lisa Kachold <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: I was wondering....
To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, May 29, 2013, 6:51 PM

Mike,

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Michael Havens <[email protected]> wrote:

Doubtful, but is the google version of skype any better than skype in the 
seecurity 
arena?http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/05/13/us/politics/ap-us-ap-phone-records-subpoena.html?pagewanted=all



:-)~MIKE~(-:
Good question?  I assume you are assuming that use of Google Voice or Skype 
would side step DHS intrusion into American privacy?  The irony of this is that 
most people using Skype or Google Voice ALSO have a "smart phone", say a Google 
Android or an iPhone.  The DHS equipment includes the ability to "listen" to 
everything by sending a signal from the cell phone companies to open a 
listening socket. 

That listening socket allows them to hear your full skype or google voice 
account as long as you also have a SIM and account or are carrying a "smart 
phone" with you.  Everyone I know using a tablet with skype does so with 
mic/speakers on not using an earphone -- so the full conversation is available 
to all.  

And the DHS/RSA has various "taps" that collect data at various "hubs" 
nationally and internationally.  That data can be and is catagorized and used.  
So while the process to listen to VOIP calls might "seem" harder, it is in fact 
easier and as time goes along, and databases expanded and setup for speech to 
text searches based on any number of criteria, no conversation, no information 
and no secrets can be kept from the government, unless you can expand those 
budding interpersonal skills and develop what the Native American holy men 
refer to as the "gift of silence" which equates to the ability to "sub 
vocalize" and hear other's subvocalizations, feel their feelings, and see their 
mental image pictures (all skills heavily stifled in our society, yet things we 
each experience as part of "intimacy").    I don't believe they can tap that 
yet, (but I wouldn't put it past them, since remote viewing seemed to be such a 
successful program in the cold war
 years).



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