With all that is going on in the world and my personal life I want to get back 
to basics :   Jesus and the U.S.Constitution.  Life has gotten way too 
complicated.

I do not think man was created to live like we do.  I think things were 
intended to be much simpler.  We need just a handful of rules to live by.  

I think a couple simple rules is all we need to make this list work.  Define 
what the list is about.

Is this strictly a Linux list - Only the Linux kernel, or GNU Linux, or all 
things open source?   That would make everything else "OT:".

Then there is the dilemma of security.  When does it became off topic?  Is it 
on topic when talking about anything open source?  What about when I use my 
Mozilla browser to connect to a LAMP server and my connection data is captured 
by a corrupt individual or our corrupt Gov't?

Where do I draw that line?

This list worked just fine for 13 or 14 years without a lot of rules.  We did 
have a couple times where people got upset about certain topics, however the 
list always survived.

This is a diverse community that is here for technology.  It may have a focus 
of Linux, however the community has much greater interests and concerns.  

If there was a thread that talked about where to get the best hotdogs or where 
to get this or that, I might find that interesting even though it would be very 
off topic.  If you want to talk about satanic stuff that is fine with me also.  
I will provide the opposing argument.  

When we talk politics it is in relationship to our common interests, or so I 
would think.  And I would submit is is related to the goals of this list.

Technology is being used for evil. That is what makes these conversations 
relevant to this list.

I think it would be a great thing if we were able to put our differences aside 
and try to work towards real life solutions that may be bigger than Linux.  

To me this whole OT issue is ironic.  I tend to like to hear other peoples 
thoughts.  For instance I am a Christian Conservative and I would really like 
to have an open and honest conversation with a 99 percenter.  Why?  Because I 
think we would discover we both have a lot more in common than we might think.

I think that is true about most of the people on this list.  I think we all 
have way more in common than we are willing to acknowledge. 

We need to come together and start trying to solve some of these problems as a 
community.  Our world has changed.  We are no longer free to express ourselves 
without the concern of the Gov't listening.   

There is a lot of brain power on this list.  If we ever come together we would 
be able to do some really cool stuff.

So what do you say we make things simpler with less rules and lets start 
solving problems.  Let's come together as a list and use our strengths to fight 
evil not each other.   

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Keith Smith
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