Don't forget they have more and bigger guns than you. Force is real. Threat of force is real. Don't believe me? Let's waterboard you until you agree.
On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Sam il Kreimeyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Lisa, I've been trying to make that point for a long time. Power is > ultimately only what you believe it is. The NSA (a fictional abstraction of > self-responsible individuals), is only as powerful as people's belief in its > authority and willingness to act on those beliefs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs > This video provides a nice graphical representation of the reality of the > situation. > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Eric Cope <[email protected]> wrote: > seems on topic to this off topic discussion... > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html > > Eric > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:01 PM, keith smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just say no to FEEMA! If you say no to ObamaCare it will cost you some tax > dollars (fine). If you say no to gun control you might go to jail. > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On Tue, 7/2/13, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 8:55 AM > > Writing my reps didn't accomplish much during TARP. Finding ways to not > participate in or support policies you oppose in your daily life is probably > the most effective form of activism. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone > > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "keith smith" <[email protected]> > To: "Ken" <[email protected]>, "Main PLUG discussion list" > <[email protected]> > Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? > Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 5:01 PM > > > > > I would vet them first. You can always call, email, or fax your us rep and > us senators. > > This looks like a Gov site. If it is I'd stay away. > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On Mon, 7/1/13, Ken <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Ken <[email protected]> > Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 1:17 PM > > Are these online petitions worth signing? Or is it just a way to get your > email addy on more spam lists? > > > -K > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: Change.org <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 9:39 AM > Subject: Secret spying on your Internet activity? > > > > > > > > > Ken - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org, and we think you might > be interested in signing it: > > > > > Eric Holder: Allow tech companies to publish NSA PRISM data > > By Alec F. > Alameda, California > > > > > Sign Alec's Petition > > > > After a leak of documents from the National Security Agency showed that a > secret program called PRISM allows widespread surveillance of U.S. citizens' > phone and internet activities with some of the world's biggest tech > corporations, the nation is concerned and confused about our privacy rights. > President Obama and the NSA have stated that widespread spying of Americans > is not taking place and that the government is only requesting certain data > from these companies. There is an easy way to show if this is true and that > companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter have taken the > commendable step of requesting that the NSA allow them to publish the records > of government data requests in their company transparency reports. > In part, Google's letter states: > Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives the > U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. > However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA > national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of > accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation. > > We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in our > Transparency Report aggregate numbers of national security requests, > including FISA disclosures—in terms of both the number we receive and their > scope. Google’s numbers would clearly show that our compliance with these > requests falls far short of the claims being made. Google has nothing to > hide. > The government allowed Google to start reporting the number of national > security letters they received requesting data earlier this year, but they > are still barred from releasing information about Foreign Intelligence > Surveillance Act (FISA) orders. The requests for this data often comes in the > form of secret court orders that not only force these companies to give data > but also make it impossible for them to discuss even the basic details. That > should change. > By allowing these companies to include this information in their transparency > reports, the government will be giving American citizens at least some of the > insight we deserve about how our daily activities like emails and Google > searches are being tracked by the government. > > Sign Alec's Petition > > > > The person (or organization) who started this petition is not affiliated with > Change.org. Change.org did not create this petition and is not responsible > for the petition content. > This email was sent by Change.org to [email protected]. 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