It all makes sense to me. As for the individual, I still wonder what
the Android market will look like 10 years from now. Since it is
Google's baby I think Android has 30 years in it. Look at M$. It has
taken them 30+ years to become less relevant. Maybe the cycle is
speeding up.... maybe it is now 15 years. 15 years is good enough for
me. The other side is enjoyment. I cannot see myself working on
something I do not like...... Maybe Android development might not be
fulfilling.... I won't know until I get a chance to swim in it, and that
might be after the new year.
On 2014-08-04 15:41, David Schwartz wrote:
I understand your point, Keith, but even though Android uses Java, and
Java IS considered “mainstream”, that does not seem to be translating
into making it easy(er) to find Android mobile developers, is it?
The ones out there ARE getting top-dollar, as well as iOS developers.
C++ is also a mainstream language, and if you get RAD Studio, you get
C++, Pascal (Delphi) and php/HTML5 in the same box, at least two of
which ARE “mainstream”.
There’s also their newest offering, AppMethod, which has a pricing
structure more similar to other RAD Mobile development tools. It’s
basically RAD Studio without the Windows-specific stuff (ie., it’s
mobile-centric rather than Windows-centric).
Honestly, Embarcadero is taking a big gamble by investing in their
cross-platform strategy the way they are. Any company seriously
looking at developing the same app for both iOS and Android is stuck
hiring two development teams with two different development tacks and
two different sets of skill sets.
Using RAD Studio or AppMethod, this can be narrowed down to one, eg.,
Delphi/Pascal or C++, for both platforms.
At some point, a not-too-dense CIO is going to ask, “Why do we need
two sets of developers at $100k PER PLATFORM that uses FREE tools when
we can spend $5k and only have to pay $100k for ONE developer?”
It would seem that “free tools” are costing an extra $95k to reach
both platforms.
Don’t you think $5k is a lot more affordable than $95k?
(Ok, so if you’re REALLY CHEAP, it’s $50k rather than $100k, but …
that’s STILL at least 10x the cost of a dual-platform development tool
that ONE person can use!)
-David
On Aug 4, 2014, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote:
In the 80's I began to develop using dBaseII, then dBaseIII...
dBaseIII+, foxBase+, Clipper 87, Visual FoxPro..... It was a great
file server database system that was probably the best tool on the
market for developing small company database applications.
The problem is it was a niche skill set. dBase jobs were few and far
between. I would still be working with FoxPro if M$ had not bought it
and everyone bailed. FoxPro is now dead thanks to M$. That was the
tool of choice for me and I would still be developing with it if it
was up to me.
Having had that experience I am leery of tying my wagon to something
like Delphi. I really enjoyed Turbo Pascal in the early to mid 80's.
I'm sure I would enjoy object oriented Turbo Pascal ie Delphi. I've
heard tons of good things about Dephi going back maybe 10 or 12 years,
maybe longer.
Unfortunately Delphi is not main stream enough for me. I do not want
to tie my wagon to another FoxPro.
On 2014-08-04 13:35, David Schwartz wrote:
Delphi is just as easy to use as VB, if not easier.
Have you looked at it lately?
It’s just not considered “mainstream” any longer.
People say, “Oh, is THAT still around?”
Yup. Check it out.
http://embarcadero.com
They also have a tool they now call HTML5Builder or something along
that line, which is an allusion to their C++ Builder app — a C++
version of Delphi. HTML5Builder is a PHP/HTML5 version.
-David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz
On Aug 4, 2014, at 11:40 AM, [email protected] wrote:
On 2014-08-04 10:57, David Schwartz wrote:
Now we’ve got a new language: Apple introduced Swift and is making
it
available for free, like their other tools. This is going to
stimulate
a whole new generation of devleopers to jump into the fray and
start
building apps for iOS — apps that are going to be hard to “port”
over
to Android platforms, or even web platforms.
I’ve talked with Joe about his app. To his credit, he’s focused
mainly
on the app. But what he’s missed is the fact that, IMHO, he’s
over-spec’ed it to the point where you'd need so much custom code
to
impement what appears to be a simple tool that he’ll never be happy
with the end result. His UI design makes assumptions based on HIS
experience with *nix shell scripting, and he clearly explains this
in
the spec. There are no native widgets that work like “grep” in the
Android world! So he’ll be extremely hard-pressed to find anybody
who’ll build it for him within the budget he’s demanding.
I’ve worked with something called Delphi since Borland introduced
it
in 1995. Starting with the XE2 release a few years back, they’ve
been
embracing a multi-platform targeting strategy where you can develop
apps in one language that will run on any of the popular platforms:
Windows, OS X, iOS, and Android. And it actually WORKS!
This is what we need - build once run everywhere. I personally
think web development is way behind in they types of tools we have.
I often wonder why we do not have something like VB that is drag and
drop. Instead we build everything every time. The web dev model is
very expensive.
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