yep. the Linux Kernal wasn't codified or finalized until version 1.0 in '91-92. Most of the rest of the apps (such as BI, pine, and others) were developed earlier, but didn't have a base system on which to run.
btw, I thought the Boreland demonstration was nothing more than a picture that looked like a windowing interface. I know it was at the COMDEX the year before I had a run in with a car that caused my head injury and resulting loss of eyesight. -eric On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:13 AM, David Schwartz wrote: > The mouse was invented by Doug Englebart at Xerox. > > The first window-based system was the Xerox Star, created at Xerox PARC in > the late 70’s. They built around 1000 of them, but didn’t know how to sell or > service them. > > (I even saw some around 1982. They were piled on a cart at a company after > being pulled off the floor, being prepared to be returned to Xerox.) > > Steve Jobs took his team to Xerox PARC in 1980 or so to get a look at the > Star, which the folks at PARC were quite happy to show off at the time. > > From this, Apple created the Lisa, which never made much headway in the > market. Lisa was built on Unix. > > Then they built the Macintosh and released it in 1984. The Mac had a > proprietary OS built around a graphics library that was embedded in ROM. I > don’t recall what language they used, maybe C, except C compilers at the time > were very expensive, so they may have used something else. > > MS was FAR behind them. And IIRC, X-Windows didn’t show up comercially until > the late 80’s, and it was very expensive as well. > > And lest anybody forget, MS purchsaed a company that built a Unix variant > called Xenix, and they actively developed and marketed it for sevral years in > the early 80’s. They even got a bunch of VARs to port their SCO Unix > accounting packages over to Xenix. (SCO was the leading Unix platform for > small businesses at the time.) > > When I was working at Intel in the early 80’s, we were developing a > networking stack for them, being as Intel had just introduced the Ethernet > chip which was going to revolutionize networking. (Unless you asked IBM, in > which case the whole world would soon be running Token Ring networks rather > than CSMA/CD-based LANs.) > > They obviously saw GUI-based interfaces as the wave of the future. While I > cannot say for sure, I suspect they decided to base their GUI platform on DOS > because it was their own proprietary platform, whereas Xenix at the time > required royalty payments to be made to Bell Labs since it was derived from > Unix. > > Linux didn’t start making any significant inroads until the early 90’s, IIRC. > > -David "The Tool Wiz" Schwartz > > > > On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:27 AM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> whats even more interesting, MS didn't even invent it. they "appropriated" >> it from a man in seattle for all of $50,000. It was originally called QDOS >> (Quick and dirty Operating system). >> >> In fact when you get down to it, MS "appropriated" rather a number of items >> from others (like the mouse from 3M). They didn't even invent the windowing >> interface (the X desktop existed in UNIX long before 1985) and used CDE). >> THey only reinvented it for MS-Dos (as well as being the subcontractor for >> apple when they coded the windowing interface for the Macintosh). ABout the >> only things that MS did well were a complete office suite and SOme server >> side applications. >> >> So yes, they have tried to bury Linux, obfuscate where they got a lot of >> their ideas from and generally been greedy and seeking total control of the >> OS market. Even to this day, I still will use either a mac or Linux (both >> have built in accessibility). Windows is too much a pain to properly deal >> with as a blind computer user (and the accessibility software to make >> windows work for me is just too damned pricey). >> >> -eric >> >> On Aug 5, 2014, at 8:16 PM, George Toft wrote: >> >>> Nowhere in the article does it say Microsoft wrote/created MS-DOS. The >>> only error I can see in there is that MS-DOS did not ship on IBM PC's in >>> 1981. It was just called "DOS" - MS-DOS came out with version 2 when >>> Microsoft changed the OS to a license model and then deployed their own for >>> the clones. My memory may be getting a bit scrambled as that was over 30 >>> years ago. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> George Toft >>> >>> On 7/30/2014 2:36 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> I just read a bit of it and it appears to be not as factual as when others >>>> are saying. For instance M$ did not create DOS. 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