oh yeah. Like I said, it starts with next to nothing. Its like the
frog in the pot scenario. Throw a frog in boiling water and he
immediately hops out. Place a frog in cool water and slowly bring up
the heat, he is toast before he realizes that he is in trouble. Same
thing here. All it will take is one government official making an
assumption about Linux and the next thing we all know is that it
would be illegal to download or use (and we could be arrested under
the DMCA and the computer crimes act).
Honestly people, we need to nip this in the bud now. Our very civil
liberties will be at stake when this happens (not IF, but when).
-eric
On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Nathan England wrote:
Great points Eric. Consider also what will happen when the
government gets burned by Ashley Maddison, or the next one. No doubt
they will find out that the "hackers" were running linux. The server
probably was too. That open source cancer.
(politicians will decry:)
We need to protect the people. We need to remove the ability to
boot alternative operating systems (secure boot) and all internet
connected systems are running verified closed source operating
systems.
They may even say that linux servers make it easier to "hack".
When will people wake up? Politics has nothing to do with
technology or this group? Seriously? Politics has invaded every step
of our lives.
Many of the people on this list are close friends and like to
talk. Yet several are determined to keep their heads in the sand.
Pathetic that we cannot talk and share all aspects of our lives
without offending people. Just seems silly to me. We act like
children all over again. No one is allowed to have opinions any more
because they are offensive.
On 2015-08-29 08:26, Eric Oyen wrote:
in some ways, this is already happening. Take for example my DVD
collection. Given the terms of the DMCA, I am not allowed to
play them
with vlc (an open source media player) because it breaks
(cracks) the
CSS on those dvd's in order to play the content. THis also means
I
can't make backups of said media and keep the originals in their
packages as archived originals.
THere is also the matter of e-books. Take for example the
Kindle. THe
OS on it is open source (or at least the kernel is). However,
the
books themselves are closed source format and the kindle will
not read
allowed the text for me. Add to that another issue with the
American
Authors guild. THey insist that I have to register with them
before I
can have the right to access an e-book. Again, its the DMCA at
work
(along with the content cartels). I have a right to be able to
read
what I want in the method that best works for me (speech,
braille,
accessible electronic text, etc.) and I am not being allowed to.
So, if you think this hasn't started happening in Linux, think
again.
It's already here and it starts out as next to nothing. Its time
for
those of us who have the knowledge to quit talking about the
problem
and actually do something about it.
-eric (the other eric)
On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Keith Smith wrote:
I understand some do not like bringing politics into this list.
However it is all relevant. I'm a LAMP developer. I have deep
concerns that the Federal Government will at some point start to
regulate Open Source / Free Software.
I've known Lyle for sometime and his heart is in the right
place.
This nation was birthed on freedom... And today a baby can be
caused to be delivered prematurely and cut to pieces while it's
heart is still beating. This is called abortion.
I think these are discussions we need to have because it will
soon be Linux they come after. Then what?
All it will take is for the likes of Bill Gates to grease the
palms of a handful of politicians and the next thing you know you
will only be able to boot M$.
Didn't we see that with the law that says you cannot root your
phone? These types of things are the opposite of freedom. We
should have the freedom to buy whatever phone we want and buy
minutes from any carrier. Instead the Cellular providers influence
politicians to pass laws that take away our freedom. This is called
crony capitalism.
Crony capitalism may effect Open Source / Free Software at some
point. A free and open market allows us to vote with our dollars.
That is not the system we have today. We have a system where the
wealthy and big business buy politicians and they pass laws that aid
the wealthy and big business. AND this is at our expense.
I'm for freedom. I do not care if you worship a pole or a cow,
or nothing at all. I do not care if you run M$, Apple, or Linux. I
do not care if you want to eat meat or abstain from meat. AND I hope
you will allow me the same latitude.
I personally support the least amount of law - just the minimum
to protect the masses.
Lyle is right here is a sleight of hand taking place.
On 2015-08-29 06:16, Phil Waclawski wrote:
I really don't see how this is appropriate for a linux
discussion
group.
Phil Waclawski
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Lyle <[email protected]>
wrote:
Subject: Wedding ring is in for repair again this year...
Just passing this on with no comment, interesting observation
though....
The Wedding ring is in for repair again this year. Since when
does
a plain wedding band need repairs, along with your watch, for
a
whole month? In a press conference last week Obama was not
wearing
his wedding ring nor was he wearing his watch. When noticed,
his
staff said his ring was out for repairs. No reason was given
for the
missing watch.
So it's just a coincidence that Muslims are forbidden from
wearing
jewelry during the month of Ramadan...
Can't possibly be that, because although he hasn't gone to a
Christian church service since entering the White House, we
know
he's a committed Christian "cause he said so during his
campaign"
This is the same president that spent the Christmas holidays
in
Hawaii to avoid religious obligations as president at the
White
House. His children do not receive Christmas presents. Let's
just
face the facts and quit trying to distort the truth, we have
a
Muslim for president in the White House, and he has no
knowledge of
American history.
I love this country; it's the current government leadership I
worry
about!
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