I would seriously consider getting older MacBook Pro (2013). If you compare the specs there is not too much difference. You can get some good deals off of Craigslist.
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=macbook+pro+2013&sort=rel Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2016, at 5:24 PM, James Dugger <[email protected]> wrote: > > Short answer: Regarding Business productivity - My advice go with the Macbook > Pro. Also I believe you can get a 13-inch with 16GB and a 500GB SSD for less > than $2k. > > I switched from Microsoft to Linux on all servers and desktops in my former > business only to switch the desktops to Apple products from Linux. Linux > just doesn't have parody in new application implementations on the desktop > where it mattered. And I haven't met a business owner yet who was willing > to hang out in Linux until someone got around to making it work. > > Regarding the cost - My experience is the any of the professional line > laptops in any brand end up with a unit cost of use less than their cheaper > counterparts. The MacBook Pro is no different and is comparably priced to > any of these lines when you spec the stuff inside. > > MacBook Pro is the developers choice because at any price it is the only > product on which you can easily build a development environment for any of > the other environments. If your going to spend $2k on a laptop it better > work in all of the possible environments in which may need to develop. > > A question was asked regarding the relevance of posting this to a Linux list. > How about this - I love Linux and develop products that are used in the tens > of thousands of Linux instances in my company everyday... but I could write a > book about how frustrating it is that I don't have the option to have Linux > as a viable OS option on the desktop in a business use case, ironically in a > company that is central to the use of Linux in an industry. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Eric Oyen <[email protected]> wrote: >> yes, as my old 2007 whitebook can attest. unfortunately, the software and >> some of the apps are no longer supported and getting anything newer on here >> just isn't going to happen. where does this leave me? well, stuck on old >> hardware that is becoming less and less useful as apps and web design make >> it harder to cope. At some point, I just might decide to put paid to OS X >> lion and do a full linux install on here. >> >> SOme of the features of OS X that I will miss: >> keychains (this password vault has been a lifesaver) >> apps that "just work" without having to tweak or prod. >> easy to use interface for the blind (voiceover) >> and just about anything else not covered by the above. >> >> SOme things I am looking forward to as I transition to Linux on this device: >> upgraded applications capable of new and interesting things >> support for apps that use GTK, perl, ruby, and other scripts/programming >> languages that can be easily adapted for the blind (hell, all the libraries >> to do this are built in). >> enhanced performance (linux still has the lowest overhead of any OS I know >> of other than OpenBSD). >> Security (windows still can't touch this!). >> access to utilities and applications not readily available on other >> platforms. >> OPEN SORCE >> mostly free (or low cost through donation) - I am willing to pay if my >> budget supports it. >> >> now, I have been a long time user of Linux (really since almost its >> beginnings) and also a longtime member of PLUG (one of the original steering >> committee members here!). >> >> Still, there is something to be said for an OS/machine that "just works". I >> just wish apple would hop on the Linux bandwagon and offer an alternative OS >> for those times when OS X seems too bloated. >> >> -Eric (founder of the Technomage Guild) >> >>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Alan Dayley wrote: >>> >>> My younger son is still using my five year old 15" MacBook Pro. It has no >>> problems. I replaced the hard drive with a Samsung SSD about four years ago >>> only because I wanted the improved performance. The whole system as zero >>> problems. >>> >>> My older son is now using my four year old 13" MacBook Air. It has had zero >>> problems except that the battery doesn't hold a charge for more than 2 >>> hours any more. Normal battery wear. That notebook spent four years >>> traveling all over with me, almost every week in my bag going and coming >>> from somewhere. The only physical issue is a few of the keyboard key tops >>> are scratched down from my fingernails. >>> >>> I have run Ubuntu and Mint on both of the systems without issue. Though I >>> confess to spending most of my time in OS X. >>> >>> I now have a four month old 13" MacBook Air. Has double the RAM of my >>> previous unit. It helps. Buy as much RAM as you can. >>> >>> Apple hardware, in my experience, is both beautiful and durable. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Anon Anon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I have a MacBook pro I use at work. It's a Mac. It'll work. It's a >>>> bastardized bsd box. >>>> >>>> I haven't turned mine off in months. If you need a Mac, buy it. >>>> >>>> Why not try running mac os in a virtual box machine to try it out before >>>> hand? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 24, 2016 08:54, "Keith Smith" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'm strongly considering buying a Macbook pro. >>>> >>>> I'm a LAMP (PHP) developer. Currently I use Mint on a Dell. Both laptop >>>> and desktop. I do have a Dell laptop that runs M$ 10. Was a bad move >>>> upgrading from M$7 to M$10... another story for another day. >>>> >>>> The reason for my desired move is I want something that just works. I do >>>> not have the time nor do I have the expertise to maintain Linux Mint when >>>> there is an issue. For instance Dropbox does not launch correctly. I have >>>> a work around, but do not want to have to figure this stuff out. >>>> JoinMe.com does no work completely on my Linux desktop and I need it so I >>>> use my Windows laptop. I can watch but I cannot become the presenter. >>>> >>>> Moving to Mac is purely a business decision. >>>> >>>> Up to this point I have bought cheap on sale Dell. >>>> >>>> I also need Virtualbox because I need to develop using PHP 5.6 and PHP 7. >>>> >>>> In doing my research I have narrowed my search to the Macbook Pro 13.3 or >>>> 15.4 inch models. I'm leaning towards the 15.4 since it has 16GB of RAM. >>>> I suspect with the SSD drives these Macs have to sing. >>>> >>>> My shock is the $2000 price tag. Yikes. I'm used to cheap dell hardware >>>> that I pay $300 to $400 for on sale. I can see Best Buy is selling the >>>> MacBook at a slightly discounted price. >>>> >>>> If I can be just a little more productive the Mac will pay for itself in >>>> no time. >>>> >>>> The other thing I like about the Pro is it allows for driving two external >>>> monitors. At the resolution the Pro provides that should be a lot of real >>>> estate give the laptop monitor makes 3. The only downside I am aware of is >>>> with the external monitors the refresh rate drops to 30Hz. I think >>>> someone on this list brought that up and they did not like that low of a >>>> refresh rate. >>>> >>>> I think I would find iMovie and Pages useful. And I could add an iPhone >>>> to the mix and utilize those benefits. >>>> >>>> If I buy the Mackbook pro 15.4 inch with 16GB of RAM what would be a >>>> reasonable life expectancy in a production environment? What would I be >>>> able to reasonably expect working it 12+ hours a day, day in day? >>>> >>>> Any and every thought is much appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Keith Smith >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > James > > Linkedin > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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