Is this a programming / sys admin phenomena or is it across the board
within all industries? I have always thought of technology in the terms
of sports. We all knew that guy or gal in high school that was a gifted
athlete, however they did not go beyond high school.
Out of all the gifted athlete in high school only a percentage go on to
college sports. Some will make it to the farm team. And only a handful
will make it to the pros. I think technology is much the same. To go
far in technology one needs to have that gift.
Over the years I have run into people who appear to be skilled
programmers or system admin that are not working in technology or are
underemployed.
Is it a problem with getting the first job? Once you have that first
job one can build from there?
I watched a guy start at inbound GoDaddy level 1 tech, moved to another
hosting company where he was a lead with sudo, to being a sys admin.
Maybe this is anecdotal. I don't necessarily think so.... This is how
I have seen people progress all my life. I'm open to hearing more.
One of the things I am not open to is gov interference or anything gov
funded.
Maybe the real problem is we do not have all the manufacturing jobs we
once had - those good paying manufacturing jobs.
On 2016-12-10 21:30, Stephen M wrote:
Since I am a millennium I thought I should chip in at least once.
Although this thread started has H1B which actually hurts both the
foreign worker and the American work that's my stance there. The
American worker is losing their job to someone that will take a lot
less but do the same work. The foreign worker because they are being
paid less and although there are places to live that are dirt cheap
they are not always the best. The economy has suffered for years and
there are too many contributing factors to name.
Now the last couple of arguments are more hitting home. Yes I have a
bachelors and a couple of certificates, working on more certificates,
but still working help desk. Do I know more than that sure. Could I
work in a different place that could accelerate my
learning/understanding/knowledge whatever you want to call it yes.
When my father was young he went to the military and went to school
That was the first time he really touched a computer. So in those
days yes it was almost handed to people to have jobs. Nowadays it's
more of who you know rather than what you know. I can't tell you how
many "network technicians" I've helped over the years to configure a
router. I've worked to get where I am and struggling to move around.
But it's not only my location but also my type of degree. CIS is not
the most notable computer degree out there. But beyond that I have
certificates, practice my *nix skills at home. But they don't mean
anything to the work place. My other degree would be in business
management so hopefully I'm not stepping on feet here.
On the one hand you need to have the education and knowledge how to do
what you work with. Getting a good paying job doesn't only help with
that whether the company is paying for the training or not. But you
also need to be physically strong and mentally healthy. So getting
paid a living wage is necessary to have both of those. Sure you could
be poor and be laid back and still get a decent job. But to uplift
yourself does take a degree of basic needs. From economics when a
people can satisfy their basic needs then they start to look at other
needs. Now onto the reverse, like I said I've worked with enough
technicians setup a router for nothing more than simple routing.
These people properly knew someone and then they got hired and make
decent money. So they could have high marks, certificates, and all
other form of so called knowledge that means nothing. Yet they are
still making big bucks.
The take away here hopefully is one, foreign workers aren't getting
screwed any less than American workers. You need to have your basic
needs met first before you can worry about uplifting yourself. And
last but not least not trying to sound like a recruiter but getting to
know someone these days is a necessary. Just please don't call tech
support asking how to put your router that has a static IP into bridge
mode.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Steve Litt
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:51:44 -0700
Keith Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
I had dinner with a couple guys from a programming agency last
night. The senior owner is about 55 and the junior owner is about
35. I'm guessing they make exceptionally good money. What was
the
mix that made them successful? Skills, personality, an hard work.
They both attended college, developed some in demand skills, with
a
little luck and hard work they are doing very well.
These two guys are one anecdote.
Your life story is another anecdote. A few anecdotes don't prove
anything. There are always people who can overcome obstacles. But
today's obstacles are much more difficult for the average person to
overcome.
Except for the 82/83 recession, the 70's and 80's you remember as
difficult were paradise compared to the world faced by the last
decade
of high school grads.
My assertions can be born out by statistics on cost of living,
unemployment, and real wages, broken out by age group. It's not hard
to
find.
The shame is, a higher minimum wage and a few other minor tweaks
could
have fixed these problems enough to stay on a stable course.
This is tired and offtopic. There's no convincing you that life
isn't
an endless meritocracy: I won't try further. Just don't come crying
to me if the nation you love and fought for disintegrates. It would
have been pretty easy to prevent with a stitch in time.
SteveT
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