It’s good to get useful info on arch and I agree about Ubuntu as I also had problems with it. I now run fedora and have no problems with at all. I find updates pretty much everyday with bug fixes and new files being installed. I even like how it installs the new kernel and removes the older kernel that’s 3 versions back.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 14:47, Michael Butash wrote: > Arch is mostly precompiled binaries if using standard pacman repos, their > standard package manager. > > Installing other package managers like yaourt introduce community repos, ala > deb/ubuntu ppa repos, which may or may not just compile something on the fly > for you if no binary package available. I don't think I've ever NOT found > something I needed in pacman or yaourt repos under arch that I've had to > compile manually, and both binary or compiling on the fly via yaourt have > worked almost flawlessly. > > I've run Arch on my desktop for at least 2 years now, and it's been the best > change I've made in a long while. Rolling upgrades are great, I've not > encountered one failed upgrade with arch, vs. like every fscking time > upgrading any ubuntu system that fails horribly, almost reliably, every time. > I've run into a few upgrade issues, usually with a conflicting 3rd party > package that has been replaced, but otherwise has worked flawlessly. > > That said, I can't make it work on my laptop to save my life, but I think > it's more a matter of current kernel, grub, systemd, and various bits not > playing nicely with my luks+lvm setup. If not requiring things like > encryption and logical volumes, it's probably pretty easy to walk-through, > but only for an advanced (or sadist newbie) user. > > Arch has been great once booting and working, I have half a dozen different > DE's installed on here, and basically rotate between what one is less broken > each upgrade,. A fault, not of Arch's so much the individual DE's that can't > figure out high-resolution compositing, rotating between sucking or not. I've > been using Mate for a distinct lack of compositing, which proves most stable. > I just don't like the menu and a lack of type-to-search feature in it... > > I've tried switching off my laptop Ubuntu install as with 18.04 upgrade, it > locked me into Wayland, which simply does NOT work with any other DE on it. I > can't launch into KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, or anything else on it, they just fail > at login - only Gnome3 (Ubuntu Bastard-Edition) works, with many, many > problems that about make it infuriating to use. I've not hated a DE so much > in a long time, thanks Ubuntu. but stuck as the only thing working on my > laptop other than windoze my xps15 came with. I'll get frisky and try Arch > again soon. > > Trick is finding a distro you like, your comfortable with, and doesn't > randomly break with every upgrade. Ubuntu is NOT the latter, expect upgrades > to fail you, this coming from someone living Ubuntu since 6.04. Other > distros, ymmv. > > -mb > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:02 PM Harold Hartley <[email protected]> wrote: > > __ > > I thought arch was just binary. Never knew they started having both. > > If arch is offering a binary system, isn’t that a closed system and doesn’t > > that violate open source license. That is my question. > > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:58, Stephen Partington wrote: > >> Arch if i am correct is both. and like Gentoo you can build as you install > >> with the option of compile from source. > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:40 PM Harold Hartley <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > __ > >> > The first part you said I couldn’t have said any better. > >> > Now isn’t arch a binary system which has their system files and packages > >> > in binary form. > >> > That doesn’t leave much for fixing a problem on the system if it’s > >> > binary files. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, at 13:27, Stephen Partington wrote: > >> >> Mostly it is just a personal preference. Sometimes it is related to the > >> >> window manager. Sometimes it is the package manager. There are a number > >> >> of reasons. > >> >> > >> >> I personally am torn between arch and Ubuntu (especially with their > >> >> lite install option) I like both for different reasons. I have been > >> >> considering moving to arch on my laptop. > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 12:04 PM Aaron Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > To entertain all the people who can't do Arch. > >> >> > > >> >> > Le Troll Face.jpeg here > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:29 AM Stephen Elliott > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> What is the purpose of all these different distros? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mar 3, 2019, at 12:00 PM, > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Send PLUG-discuss mailing list submissions to > >> >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> >> >> > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=qJghQhX9hWHCKzKKW9aBQO2zzPJ46052LA8aHlCqZm8%3D&reserved=0 > >> >> >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > You can reach the person managing the list at > >> >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> >> >> > than "Re: Contents of PLUG-discuss digest..." > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Today's Topics: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 1. Re: Phoenix Linux (Matthew Crews) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Message: 1 > >> >> >> > Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 15:15:37 +0100 (CET) > >> >> >> > From: Matthew Crews <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > To: [email protected] > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Phoenix Linux > >> >> >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On 3/1/19 6:18 PM, der.hans wrote: > >> >> >> >> moin moin, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I have seen references to this, but for the first time went and > >> >> >> >> looked. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Phoenix Linux - based on lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphoenixlinux.weebly.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=gbDmb4Xv3bBpMO%2By4qtTA2sPhge2s82e39Mx3Daj%2F0M%3D&reserved=0 > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Has anyone tried it? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ciao, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> der.hans > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I haven't tried it, but it looks like a hobby respin of Lubuntu, > >> >> >> > but > >> >> >> > with none of the support (and lagging behind upstream by a > >> >> >> > significant > >> >> >> > margin). > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Hobby distros, especially hobby respins, are a tough sell for me > >> >> >> > because > >> >> >> > of the lack of support. I'd normally prefer to stick to upstream > >> >> >> > (in > >> >> >> > this case, Lubuntu). > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The same person responsible for Phoenix also makes Feren OS, which > >> >> >> > is > >> >> >> > based off of Linux Mint (and in the process of rebasing to Ubuntu > >> >> >> > LTS). > >> >> >> > Feren is relatively well received and does have a support > >> >> >> > structure, and > >> >> >> > looks fairly nice. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > >> >> >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> >> >> > Name: signature.asc > >> >> >> > Type: application/pgp-signature > >> >> >> > Size: 833 bytes > >> >> >> > Desc: OpenPGP digital signature > >> >> >> > URL: > >> >> >> > <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fpipermail%2Fplug-discuss%2Fattachments%2F20190303%2F22561458%2Fattachment-0001.sig&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060787903&sdata=a1CDo73PR2qUDpuKqP2uHdFA5MkwgUnr1dtAkxfO2pE%3D&reserved=0> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ------------------------------ > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Subject: Digest Footer > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > >> >> >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> >> >> > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.phxlinux.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fplug-discuss&data=02%7C01%7C%7C763b23d1df1b4e6336a108d6a00a7265%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636872364060797908&sdata=YLMpxM2zMugze0XPXfgXobTT3pLOFEg6yvfy3bAz6IE%3D&reserved=0 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ------------------------------ > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > End of PLUG-discuss Digest, Vol 165, Issue 3 > >> >> >> > ******************************************** > >> >> >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > >> >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> >> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > >> >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> >> > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Harold Hartley > >> > 17632 N. 5th place > >> > Phoenix, AZ 85022 > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------- > >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> > >> -- > >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > >> > >> Stephen > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -- > > Harold Hartley > > 17632 N. 5th place > > Phoenix, AZ 85022 > > [email protected] > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > https://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Harold Hartley 17632 N. 5th place Phoenix, AZ 85022 [email protected]
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