Yeah, I use it for configuring my Debian installs.
I don't use it much these days, but it is in my gitlab repo.
I appreciate the method of learning it, as that is what I did, but what were
you wondering about it?
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 14:53:18 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Steven - <[email protected]>
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> Subject: Minor monitor gripe(rant)
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> Back when I was in high school in the late 80s/early 90s we had a few
> computers with a grey-scale monitor that could be rotated between landscape
> and portrait orientation. Do you know what happened when we'd do that? You'd
> hear the clack of a mechanical orientation sensor, the screen would
> momentarily blank, and then the orientation of the display would
> automatically update. Which isn't a shock to anyone who has used late model
> PDAs and just about every tablet and smart phone. How is it that today, when
> all but the cheapest desktop monitor stands allow you to rotate the monitor,
> we have to manually tell the computer we've rotated the monitor?
>
> Okay, yes, this is because back then that was a premium and pricey monitor
> which is why only the vo-tech computer class had even two of them in the
> entire school (we also had an analog camera that recorded to disk, not a
> Kodak disc film camera but an SLR camera which used a camcorder sensor and
> recorded single frames of analog NTSC to magnetic 2 or maybe they were 2.5
> inch disks. The drive for these disks was as large as the Mac it was plugged
> into). So throwing a sensor onto the monitor wasn't that expensive when we
> were already getting charged a premium for it. But would it kill them to
> include it on the less than bargain basement monitors today? Although now I'm
> wondering if DisplayPort/DVI/etc even have a way in their standards to pass
> along orientation information or if you'd need a separate connection, a quick
> googling isn't finding anything promising about that.
>
> Anyway, just a quick rant to get that out. I do in fact feel better having
> done so.
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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:18:38 -0700 (MST)
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> Anyone here using some form of configuration management (Ansible, Chef,
> Saltstack, etc) for their personal computers? I recently did a clean OS
> install on my carry-around laptop and I decided to use that as an excuse to
> start using ansible (so far only to tell apt to install vim and tmux if they
> aren't already installed). While the playbooks are currently very bare bones
> I'm planning to build on them as time goes by using this as a way to build up
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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:36:21 -0700
> From: Victor Odhner <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service
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> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from the
> current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good providers of
> registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within a reasonable
> cost.
>
> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good stories.
>
> I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a
> name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>
> I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone call,
> and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of
> [largest-of-local-providers], so my bias is towards running away from [that],
> but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for innocent
> button-pressing clients.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> Victor Odhner
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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:50:48 -0700
> From: Andrew McRobb <[email protected]>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service
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> Sadly a lot of those "button-pressing" hosting services are going to cost a
> bit more money vs firing up a instance on AWS or Droplet. Plus if all your
> friend needs is Wordpress and email. What's wrong with firing up an EC2
> instance for like 10/20 bucks a month and Namecheap for the DNS? Heck you
> can get an email provider that does the heavy lifting for 5 bucks a month
> if email is a huge concern.
>
> With tons of migration tools for MySQL and rsync, migration should be a
> breeze if you know what you are doing. Let me know if I'm missing something
> here.
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:43 PM Victor Odhner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from
>> the current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good
>> providers of registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within
>> a reasonable cost.
>>
>> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good
>> stories.
>>
>> I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of
>> a name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>>
>> I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone
>> call, and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of [
>> *largest-of-local-providers*], so my bias is towards running away from [
>> *that*], but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for
>> innocent button-pressing clients.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Victor Odhner
>>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 13:38:15 -0700
> From: Bob Elzer <[email protected]>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service
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> Google domains is $12 a year.
>
> No extra fees. You can even hide your info for Free.
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 12:51 PM Andrew McRobb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sadly a lot of those "button-pressing" hosting services are going to cost
>> a bit more money vs firing up a instance on AWS or Droplet. Plus if all
>> your friend needs is Wordpress and email. What's wrong with firing up an
>> EC2 instance for like 10/20 bucks a month and Namecheap for the DNS? Heck
>> you can get an email provider that does the heavy lifting for 5 bucks a
>> month if email is a huge concern.
>>
>> With tons of migration tools for MySQL and rsync, migration should be a
>> breeze if you know what you are doing. Let me know if I'm missing something
>> here.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 12:43 PM Victor Odhner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from
>>> the current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good
>>> providers of registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within
>>> a reasonable cost.
>>>
>>> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good
>>> stories.
>>>
>>> I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer
>>> of a name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>>>
>>> I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone
>>> call, and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of [
>>> *largest-of-local-providers*], so my bias is towards running away from [
>>> *that*], but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for
>>> innocent button-pressing clients.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice,
>>> Victor Odhner
>>>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 14:49:46 -0700
> From: Aaron Jones <[email protected]>
> To: Steven - <[email protected]>, Main PLUG discussion list
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> I manage like 10 thinkpads using ansible. They all run Manjaro. Why?
>
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Steven - <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone here using some form of configuration management (Ansible, Chef,
>> Saltstack, etc) for their personal computers? I recently did a clean OS
>> install on my carry-around laptop and I decided to use that as an excuse to
>> start using ansible (so far only to tell apt to install vim and tmux if they
>> aren't already installed). While the playbooks are currently very bare bones
>> I'm planning to build on them as time goes by using this as a way to build
>> up actual working knowledge and not just read-tutorials-knowledge of it.
>>
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> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 19:56:41 -0700
> From: James Crawford <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Virtualbox 6.0.10 and secure boot
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> I Ran into this with a Windows 2016 Guest running on Cent OS 7 qemu/KVM.
>
> you need to install the signed drivers to the VMs. For windows VMs check
>
> https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/WindowsGuestDrivers/Download_Drivers
>
> James C.
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 08:34:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David Schwartz <[email protected]>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service
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> I use a company local to Phoenix as my primary registrar, NameSilo.
>
> For hosting, I use Eleven2.
>
> In general, I don’t recommend using the same for both.
>
> I used NameCheap, and they’re owned by the same borg entity that owns
> HostGator and tons of other hosting providers. But I’ve used them for years
> for name registrations.
>
> The thing I like about NameSilo is they give you a domain name Privacy option
> for FREE forever. NameCheap used to be for one year, but they may have
> changed. GoDaddy charges an absurd amount for it starting from the get-go.
>
> “Honesty” is relative in the domain world. They all have their policies and
> they all enforce their polices. But some are far worse than others.
>
> The “other” big registrar in Phx has a very “honest” bunch of policies that
> railroad you into spending a HUGE amount if you forget to renew your domain
> on-time. NameSilo and NameCheap are far more forgiving, and give you 30 days
> to renew your domain at the regular renewal rate. They’re all quite “honest”
> about it, as long as you read their TOS and pay close attention to what’s
> there.
>
> There’s also an area that isn’t talked about much, and I don’t really even
> know what to call it. But you might think that every cPanel / WHM hosting
> provider is the same, since they run the same hosting software. I’ve found
> that’s not true. Nor is it “dishonest”, either.
>
> There are several dozen settings that can be enabled or disabled on cPanel /
> WHM installations, and there are various plugins that the host can also
> include if they want.
>
> The net effect is, there are some such providers that I’d say tend strongly
> towards the “paranoid” side of the scale, while others bend the other way.
>
> NameCheap is a very “paranoid” host. If you want maximum security against
> hackers and invaders, you’ll like them. They get that distinction because
> they have a habit of disabling all sorts of UI options that have even the
> slightest whiff of something a hacker could use to get into your hosting
> account.
>
> I put up with this for a few months, and then moved to Eleven2, who is far
> more relaxed about things.
>
> That said, you can always get a VPS, then install cPanel / WHM or any other
> control panel, and tweak it however you like.
>
> Personally, I have a “shared reseller” type hosting account (ie, one that
> includes WHM) at Eleven2. Shared hosting tends to overload the servers after
> a while, but they usually don’t put as many “reseller” accounts on a host as
> regular (single cPanel) accounts — maybe by a factor of 10-to-1 or more — so
> they don’t fill up as fast.
>
> But if your shared hosting account starts to slow down, and if you’ve been
> there for a while, ask to have it moved to a newer server. That’s very easy
> to do with cPanel accounts, and the places I’ve been tend to be fairly
> accommodating if only because they’d rather not lose you to another host just
> because they don’t want to spend 5 minutes moving your account.
>
> -David Schwartz
>
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Victor Odhner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from the
>> current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good providers
>> of registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within a
>> reasonable cost.
>>
>> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good stories.
>>
>> I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a
>> name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>>
>> I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone call,
>> and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of
>> [largest-of-local-providers], so my bias is towards running away from
>> [that], but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for innocent
>> button-pressing clients.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Victor Odhner
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
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> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 11:02:48 -0700
> From: Victor Odhner <[email protected]>
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> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 11:47:17 -0700
> From: "Snyder, Alexander J" <[email protected]>
> To: PLUG Distro <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service
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> I've been using GoDaddy for about 10 years now, and never had a problem.
> They have dedicated WordPress hosting.
>
> Thanks,
> Alexander
>
> Sent from my Galaxy S10+
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 11:37 Victor Odhner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A friend who is totally non-technical wants to move their WordPress from
>> the current registry and hosting service, and is looking for is good
>> providers of registry and hosting, with the most honest reputations within
>> a reasonable cost.
>>
>> A few years ago I worked with NameCheap, and have heard fairly good
>> stories.
>>
>> I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of
>> a name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>>
>> I’m pretty sure my friend was spoon-fed the setup with a single phone
>> call, and might find a change too complicated. I am personally free of [
>> *largest-of-local-providers*], so my bias is towards running away from [
>> *that*], but I don’t really know what choices are “out there” for
>> innocent button-pressing clients.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>> Victor Odhner
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------
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> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:54:07 +0000 (UTC)
> From: David Schwartz <[email protected]>
> To: Main PLUG discussion list <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: OT: Non-Geek wants honest Registrar and Host service
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>> On Aug 31, 2019, at 11:02 AM, Victor Odhner <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I’ve heard some registrars are in a better chance to negotiate transfer of a
>> name which may be owned by the current registrar.
>>
>
> The process at most registrars is completely automated. You unlock your
> domain and request a transfer code; go to the destination registrar and
> initiate a transfer, enter the transfer code, and wait. You’ll get an email
> from the source registrar saying a transfer was initiated and you need to
> approve it; if you don’t approve it within some time-frame, it is cancelled,
> and if you do, it usually finalizes within minutes.
>
> Some registrars, however, like to introduce delays and force you to wait for
> the maximium amount of time they can (a week or so) before finalizing things,
> just because they’re such nice folks and put “customer service” as their top
> priority.
>
> -David Schwartz
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