On 2022-01-07 17:57, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
With the whole transition to libera.chat for irc and taking some time
off from work, I've taken to hanging out there a bit, and this is a
common thing I'm seeing in the #networking chat. I'm seeing a lot of
devs showing up in #networking asking for hosting/sysadmin stuff lots,
ala "how to make apache do x", or "how do I automate my servers",
Seems asking "how to make apache do x" is more of an Apache config
question. Not a straight up programming skill per se.... and not
programming either?
what kind of "how do I automate my servers" are you seeing. I am a PHP
developer so hosting automation is of interest to me. I assume Pleask
and ISPConfig fall into the server automation group as I would think
cPanel does as well?
which I find weird as that's sysadmin stuff normally (to me). Oddly
enough it's a pretty diverse crowd of folks that are kinda hybrids,
done networking, done sysadmin, some are php/web devs, etc, but lots
of system-centric stuff so it tends to work out for info seekers. I
suspect if I went into #sysadmin or like, they'd know nothing of
networking, but #networking tends to come from diverse enough roots
they do this stuff too, or did at one point at least.
I'm wondering if the self-taught group may spend less time learning
about networking. I've been interested in Linux since around 1997 /
RedHat 4.2 or was it 5.2. And networking was of interest to me
especially in the 80's as it was emerging.
Moral is, there's a lot of crossover these days, and folks need to
know some dev, some sysadmin, and some networking. The line blurs,
but people can't just be like "well, I only do mssql or active
directory" anymore, they're replaceable with shell scripts. I've done
unix/linux, some dev, some dba, some windoze, everything between along
with a strong focus and experience in networking, and it's paid
dividends as I figure out what others don't as a result.
Comparing to the OSI model of networking, I work mostly layer 1-7 up,
but most dev/app/sysadmins work layer 7 down, and really have no idea
below around layer 5 or so, much to their detriment. Best these days
to be well versed across the board to some extent. Take a ccna class
online, even if you don't get the cert, you'll probably understand
things a lot more to make your life easier.
I'm curious about what a developer might want to automate on a LAMP
hosting server?
I've use command line PHP to create a script to backup my hosting
website and data ... AWS S3. I think I might have added something to
cron... maybe it was that backup script.
What else might I want to automate?
-mb
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 5:11 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
I've watched more than a few of NetworkChuck's videos. Here he is
on a
programmer's channel talking about programmers learning networking.
I've always thought all web programmers have some Linux skills, and
maybe that is not what he is talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlN-vMF13QY&t=0s
How does this work for hosting admin? Is there the same demand in
the
hosting admin niche? If so what exactly should one know and what
types
of jobs can they get?
He mentions Python - is that the programming language to know for
server
automation? He also mentioned Perl. I thought Perl was/is dead?
I'm a PHP developer and find a lot of hosting tools such as Plesk
and
ISPConfig are written in PHP and use MySQL.
Your Thoughts?
Thanks!!
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