On 2023-07-27 19:13, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
It’s very likely that these motherboards are, in fact, built by
Intel for Dell.
Interesting.
Intel is the worlds largest maker of IBM-PC type motherboards from
what I’ve heard.
Makes Sense.
Does “building from scratch” mean you’re going to do your own
PCP layout, design, and have one built-to-spec?
No... Yikes, I do not have those skills. Assemble is more accurate. I
think I should start with the CPU I want and go from there. Over the
counter retail parts.
BTW, I just saw something about a modular notebook computer that’s
being released. I saw a video about it. I’m not sure it solves your
problem, but it does look interesting.
Would it be possible to share a link?
Also, since Apple stopped making their motherboards upgradable, their
profits have jumped. The avg sales price has gone up b/c people are
buying larger configurations to future-proof their machines, which is
kind of dumb if you think about it. Larger memory modules are always
going to be more expensive today than in 2-3 years from now for the
same specs, and you don’t really need them today. Which is exactly
why Apple’s profits have jumped.
Interesting.
Just b/c the logic in the core chips can handle more RAM or SSD is no
reason to allow them to take that much. They want to be sure you have
a reason to upgrade the mobo in a few years rather than just more
memory.
I think this is Dell's business model. They sell less expensive
computers that do not take full advantage of the CPU ... want more pay
more.
The first time I ran into this problem was when I wanted to add a second
monitor and discovered I has to add a daughter board (is that what they
are called?) then the computer was able to drive up to 3 monitors.
During this upgrade I was warned to not over do it because Dell used 300
watt power supplies in their cheaper computers.
Dell has bit me twice (that I know of) so it is time to move on.
FWIW, I’ve got an 8GB DIMM I took out of my Mac Mini when I replaced
it with a 32GB DIMM, if it helps. These things are practically
worthless on eBay.
Thanks. I'm not sure what I would do with it.
For semiconductor makers, especially where it concerns integration of
a lot of components, their business models have always been some
flavor of “reducing their customer’s time-to-market”. Intel sold
chip sets and development systems first. Then they provided
“reference designs”, then Gerber plots for PCBs, and finally just
started making the motherboards themselves — but that was at a time
when 90% of the computers being sold had the same physical form-factor
(so-called IBM PCs). Then laptops showed up, and then notebooks. In
order for Intel to keep getting their most advanced chips into so many
computers, they had to make it a no-brainer to work with them to buy
motherboards directly from them. That’s so when they formally
announced a new chip, you could go out and buy a computer from two or
three vendors THAT DAY that had that chip in them, rather than waiting
most of a year for computer vendors to build their own PCBs from
scratch.
WOW interesting.
The switch to mobile devices that use really high integration chip
sets and ARM-based CPUs has put a kink into Intel’s plans. And with
Apple switching to their own CPUs across their entire product line,
that has hurt them as well. That’s why they’re looking to have one
of the new east-valley Fabs become an ARM foundry.
I heard or read someplace that AMD is making better CPUs - is that true?
Keith
-David Schwartz
On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Todd Cole via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
I have run into issues where cpu can handle more ram than the
motherboard can recognize. I have also had success using more than
OEM specs
bios upgrade may also increase motherboard ram capacity trial and
error has and does work sometimes if you really need the extra ram.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 3:40 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for your feedback.
Interesting experience.
I discovered if one is using Intel, one can look up what RAM that
chip
supports. Windows reported which CPU I have. Intel on-line told
me
what type of RAM and the upper limit.
Interesting enough the CPU will handle up to 64GB of RAM, however
Dell
told me the box will only use up to 32GB of RAM.***
My box came with DDR4-2666 and the CPU really wants DDR4-2400.
I just ordered 32GB of DDR4-2400 from Newegg for $62 tax, title,
license, shipping, and doc fee.
*** This is the second upgrade where I have run into Dell limiting
resources. Last time the computer would only support 1 monitor
while
the CPU would run 3. BTW this box holds only one HD... I guess if
I
want more I will need to add an aftermarket "cage".... If the
motherboard will support a second drive... Yikes!!
I'm at the point where I am going to start building from scratch
in the
future.....
Thanks!!
Keith
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