Thanks David!!
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On 2025-02-18 18:59, David Schwartz via PLUG-discuss wrote:
You should poke around at the history behind Plesk, it might make more
sense.
Around 2003, a company named SWSoft bought Parallels and some other
companies that specialized in control panels and server virtualization.
Plesk tends to sell into corporate America, while cPanel is used by
smaller companies.
In 2008, SWSoft changed their name to Parallels.
They competed with VMWare.
In 2015, Parallels spun off Virtuozzo (a virtualization platform) and
Plesk (that runs on Virtuozzo) into a separate entity, then sold it off
to to Oakley Capital.
In 2018, Oakley Capital acquired cPanel, Plesk’s largest competitor.
In 2018, Corel (of CorelDraw fame) bought Parallels.
In 2019, a private equity firm KKR acquired Corel, including Parallels.
In late 2023, Broadcom acquired VMWare. Broadcom is an OEM, they don’t
really deal with consumers. This is when they made VMWare Desktop and
Fusion free.
There’s some talk that KKR (who owns Parallels) might be purchasing
Broadcom’s VMWare End User Compute (EUC) business.
It’s all about VIRTUALIZATION.
And it’s looking like KKR is going to end up owning EVERYTHING:
Parallels and Virtuozzo, VMWare, Plesk, cPanel, and a bunch of related
products that had been previously acquired under prior ownership and
came along for the ride.
Why do you suppose there’s so much musical chairs going on over the
past 25 years and now one company owns all of them?
The web server and hosting business started out as companies with a
bunch of PCs in a room plugged into a WAN feed. They started building
out larger and larger facilities to house more and more PC boxes. As
the demand grew, companies started building rackable units to make them
more compact. first 3U, then 2U, then 1U, then “blades” that fit 10
inside of one 3U box.
Then CPUs got multiple processors in them and the price of memory and
storage plummeted, and it became more economical to set up clusters of
boxes with some virtualization software allowing you to spec out so
many CPU cores, so much RAM, and so much disk space.
Amazon got into the game and virtualized everything. Then IBM, Intel,
Microsoft, Google, and others. Companies like Rackspace stopped
upgrading their physical machines and started reselling virtual
machines from Amazon and others.
Today, I sort of doubt that there are many places like Rackspace left
who have a big building with their own hardware in it. It’s just as
profitable, if not mores, to simply resell resources from Amazon.
Interesting statement. Maybe 7 years ago I needed to utilize Amazon for
something. I found their retail pricing to be very high.
Now that was retail. I assume if I am a reseller of Amazon I might get
a wholesale price?
I've been to my hosting provider's facility - servers, battery backup,
generators.... 3 different Internet providers, routers, A/C... etc. He
charges less than Amazon, Godaddy, iPower, etc.
I saw pictures of the iPower facility in downtown LA about 20 years ago.
It was a mess and they were using consumer grade mini-towers for
dedicated servers...
By the way, at that time iPower had about 500 servers for shared
hosting. Each server was a comprehensive stand alone web server
complete with DNS and mail. Yikes!!
So basically my friend could shut down his facility and resell Amazon
and run his business out of his garage? All 3 employees?
So while Plesk and cPanel originated as a way of helping monetize
shared servers by managing user accounts, if the hardware is replaced
with AWS accounts, who’s going to notice?
Virtuozzo was designed to support virtualization for Plesk; VMWare
entire existnce is built around virtualization; and Parallels does the
same thing.
Althought I’d never given it much thought, it makes perfect sense for
something like Plesk or cPanel/WHM to act as a wrapper for an AWS-based
server that can be scaled up or down as needed. The Good News is that
your machine resources are no longer capped-out by the physical
limitations of the machine (or cluster) you’re running on — with AWS or
Azure providing the VMs, you can dial-up as big of a machine as you can
imagine.
Good Point!!
Makes perfect sense to me.
I’m just trying to figure out why you’d be wanting to host Plesk on
your own machine? You know you can run Webmin on AWS servers, right?
Plesk is on my VM in the hosting center. Everything local is bare
bones.
I like cPanel and find it far easier to work with than Webmin; it also
supports far more features. I used to use Plesk before cPanel, and I
really loved it as well.
It looks like cPanel is a beast to install... Plesk has gotten way too
feature rich. They need to modularization so you only use what you
need.
But TBH, while it’s easy to SEE that most hosting vendors price their
offerings based on things like #CPU Cores, #GB of RAM, #GB
of SSD, internet traffic, etc., they could all be reselling stuff from
AWS or Azure and delivering cPanel or Plesk as an option.
It appears Amazon does not have wholesale pricing. Given that I think
there is room for hosting companies to own their own infrastructure.
Keith
-David Schwartz
On Feb 18, 2025, at 5:25 PM, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I have a win10 laptop that has VirtualBox installed on it and on
VirtualBox I have a LAMP "Shared Hosting" configuration.
This is on a private IP. I use non-rountable domain names like
"framework.internal". I use the Win and Linux hosts files for DNS.
Each of my "shared host" is configured with PHP-FPM, so each one has a
unique user.
I am doing a new install of the Amazon S3 PHP SDK on my local net so I
can redue my back up script.
On my PLESK box I have one install of the SDK and one script that is
configured to backup all my hosts.
I just now realized PLESK is doing something that is not shared
hosting...
On my local configuration it appears I have to install the SDK on each
VHost and run one script for each VHost.
Do I understand?
How does PLESK get around this?
Thanks!!
Keith
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