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Today's Topics:
1. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (David Schwartz)
2. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (Steve Litt)
3. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (Ryan Petris)
4. Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas (techli...@phpcoderusa.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2025 12:59:23 -0700
From: David Schwartz <newslett...@thetoolwiz.com>
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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On Jul 2, 2025, at 8:58 AM, mike/r via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Yep, I should've been more clear. The 85K is annual, and H1-B visas
can potentially be in force for 6 years,
All visas have a limited life span. Some can't be renewed; some can be
renewed by the applicant with their Sponsor?s agreement, and some
can/must be renewed by their Sponsor. I?ve seen someone say that H1B
visas have a 3-year term, and their SPONSOR (ie, their employer in
this case) can file to renew them. Given that the backlog for
Adjustment of Status for people from India are literally taking 10
years right now, it?s clear that there?s quite a long line of people
with multiple renewals of their visas pending their Adjustment (ie,
Green Card), far beyond 6 years.
If the visa is not renewed for any reason, then the Adjustment of
Status filing gets cancelled and they?ll have to start over. For
someone from India, if their visa is not renewed in, say, year 9, then
everything has to restart from scratch.
so that's up to 510K. Somewhere around another 50% are issued to
entities outside the cap (education, government, and non-profit
research), so around 700K outstanding seems reasonable. Thanks for
clarifying.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 07:30:24 -0400
From: Steve Litt <sl...@444domains.com>
To: plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used
to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer
asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US
should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 04:48:47 -0700
From: "Ryan Petris" <r...@petris.net>
To: PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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Too bad we can't agree on things anymore... the Democrat platform has
become "not Trump" and "not whatever the Republicans are doing", thus
by definition we'll never agree on anything again. Democrats will take
the anti-Republican stance regardless of how absurd it is.
That's probably already enough to get me in trouble so I'll stop
there.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2025, at 4:30 AM, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a
post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty
of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used
to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant
and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy
who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at
all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer
asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both
American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to
cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US
should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2025 07:27:41 -0700
From: techli...@phpcoderusa.com
To: Main PLUG discussion list <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org>
Subject: Re: M$ layoffs and H1B Visas
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Steve, we have the uni-party. Go to Washington to get rich. I'm sure
that effected policy and that is why so much is off shored.
Liz Chaney entered congress worth $2mill and 4 years later was worth
$4mil. Nancy Pelosi entered politics worth $3mil, 30 years ago and is
worth $300mil today. Just two examples.
Bad representation leads to bad policy.
On 2025-07-03 04:30, Steve Litt via PLUG-discuss wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jul 2025 16:45:25 -0700
Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
"Between May and June, Microsoft laid off 2,300 employees in
Washington alone, including 817 software engineers ... During the
same period, Microsoft submitted 6,327 H-1B visa requests for
software engineer roles matching the same job titles and location as
those affected by the layoffs" - As far as I know this is illegal.
About 16 years ago I was on the Tucson Free Unix List and made a
post
about H1B visas. I was met with a reply of "what's the matter are
you afraid of someone more skilled". I expect there are folks on
this list that fee the same way.
H1B visas are bad for our country especially when there are plenty
of
skilled people right here.
About 15 years ago, when GoLUG still had in-person meetings, we used
to
have "the meeting after the meeting" where we'd go to a restaurant
and
talk. We had Democrats, Republicans, an Athiest/Libertarian, a guy
who
raged against the Luminatis and Federal Reserve. The subject of H-1Bs
came up, and every single person at the table said H-1Bs shouldn't
exist because Americans need good jobs to pay the rent and the insane
levels of health insurance (this was before Obamacare, when one bad
measurement meant you paid a fortune if you could get insured at
all).
You know, around that time I flew to Canada to give my Universal
Troubleshooting Process course. You know what the customs officer
asked
me? He asked "you mean to tell me there's no Canadian who can do what
you're doing?" Now luckily, I was one of two companies (both
American)
worldwide doing what I was doing, but Canada was quite ready to
cancel
my 4 day course in Saskatuan to protect Canadian workers. The US
should
be more like that.
SteveT
Steve Litt
Spring 2023 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the
Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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