Can you imagine what the law would look like and how hard it would be if we had 
stuff like - 


Burglary is stealing stuff from a yard after 10pm and before 6am or from a 
residential structure while it is occupied.

If the residential structure is not occupied and it is after 6am but before 
10pm it is aggregated theft.

If stuff is stolen from a non-residential structure it is always a burglary 
except if it takes place on New years Eve, then it is a foolish drunken person 
steeling and must be given a misdemeanor citation unless their sur name starts 
with a Y.

The law is hard enough to figure out.  I think two things are happening 1) keep 
it simple, 2) protect people from those who do not have respect for others.
Under Arizona Revised Statutes (ARS) one can place a " reasonable notice 
prohibiting entry" on their property which automatically makes anyone entering 
without authority in violation of ARS 13-1502.
An why not.  If I buy some land don't I have the right to say who can come on 
it?

 13-1502.  Criminal trespass in the third                   degree; 
classification
       A.  A person commits criminal trespass in the third degree by:
       1.  Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on any real property 
after a  reasonable request to leave by the owner or any other person having 
lawful control over  such property, or reasonable notice prohibiting entry.
       2.  Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on the right-of-way for 
tracks, or  the storage or switching yards or rolling stock of a railroad 
company.
       B.  Criminal trespass in the third degree is a class 3 misdemeanor.
---
If I sell software or music or anything don't I have an expectation that people 
will not "share" it?  And should I not have the right to revenues for anyone 
who uses it.

I prescribe to the book example.  Many can read a book, however for the most 
part only one can be doing so at any given time.

Funny thing is Ashton-Tate, the creators of dBaseII, dBaseIII, and dBaseIII+ 
found that pirating actually increased sales. 

During the mid 80's there was a lot of copy protectioning going on.  It was 
such a hassle and then there was software to help you copy your software....

It was such a hassle that most software vendors quit doing it.  That is when 
Ashton-Tate found out sales went up.

Ironic. 



 


Vaughn Treude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On 12/31/07, Vaughn Treude  wrote:
> 
>> I can't resist joining the fray!
>>
>> On the one hand, I've personally never produced anything of value that
>> wasn't "intellectual" property.  On the other hand, a society that
>> actually tried to _enforce_ the copyright laws as they stand would be
>> totalitarian indeed.
>>
> 
>   just to further clarify my stance here, although the linux world has
> managed to create a world class OS...
> 
>   do you really think that the Open Source 'bazaar' form of
> organization could create the theoretical basis behind eg. context
> switching or IPC?  not a chance.  Not to insult anyone, but it was
> quite an undertaking just to decide what CMS to use for the PLUG web
> site.  So my concern is that if we choose to abandon IP altogether, we
> may be abandoning progress.  My personal interests probably lie on the
> left side of things, but I know that unless some kind of balance is
> introduced to the debate, these issues will never see the light of
> day.
> 
>   I guess at some level I wish for an IP system that actually works
> for the common man, rather than the total abolition of it.
> 

Agreed!  Though I haven't quite decided what that would be, especially 
in the anarcho-capitalist system that I espouse.  The current state of 
intellectual property reminds me of the bozos who plant "no trespassing" 
signs around a vacant lot they haven't bothered to fence. Government, 
protect my stuff! (Of course, the signs may just be there for liability 
purposes.)  :-)

Vaughn

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