Actually Eric, when you go from a van that got 22 MPG and get yourself into a
small car that consistently gets above 32 MPG (and if you look at the
spreadsheet, more often than not > 36MPG), then you have done your part.
Just because you've seen "better" doesn't mean everybody can afford to go
"better". However, you show me an electric car for the price of my Corolla and
I would trade in immediately.
I drive mostly highway...I was looking at a Prius. However, when the Prius gets
close to what I get in my Corolla on the highway, but costs 8k more, I see the
Corolla paying off much quicker *and* doing my part. (Corolla was 16k, Prius
was 22k)
For my pocketbook, the true measurement is dollars/mile. I work 36 miles from
home. There is no way in hell I am going to bike or take a bus. That would be a
2 hour journey by bus, 4 hour journey by bike. When I look at the amount I get
paid an hour, I am not going to spend $240.00/day to try and save a few carbon
atoms from hitting the air. (Although I am part of convincing my work to go to
4 day workweeks.)
As for "Why should the leaders fix the problem?" remark....the simple fact is
that we elect them. They do as we say. If we tell them to fix the problem, then
there is no further discussion. Part of being a voter is that I do not have to
justify why I want them to do something. They are my elected official...I am
their boss. Do as I say or I replace you.
Now, for solar....20k investment after tax write-offs and APS credits (53k for
whole unit, 20k from APS, around 10k from feds.) Anyway, 20k after
installation. Now, a 20k loan for 20 years is around what, $200.00 a month with
high interest?
1. Solar increases the value of your home by approximately 5k per kwH that you
get the unit. (40k in my case).
2. You no longer pay APS...who happens to be raising prices again because they
didn't utilize solar like they should have. Anyway, I pay them
251.00/month...probably $300.00/month next year if I don't go solar.
So, I will pay the monthly service fee from APS (something like $40.00 for
staying on the grid) and will pay the loan at 200/month. The price would be the
same...except I won't be as effected by fossil fuel obsolescence. Also, when
you think about solar...when do you produce the most electricity? Yep, during
the times that you *use* the most electricity on air conditioning.
In Arizona, solar makes sense and it does pay off not just for the cost but for
the value it adds to the home. Arizona should have embraced solar 10 years
ago...and our elected officials should have been pushing it.
I actually reamed my work a bit because we just built a new building and didn't
install solar panels. If we would have installed solar panels and placed the
air conditioners under the solar panels, the incoming air would have been
slightly colder *and* we could have offset our monthly bills which will always
rise. The pay off is in more like 10 years than 20. And that's not even taking
the environmental benefits into account.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Cope
To: Jason Spatafore ; Main PLUG discussion list
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
I wouldn't be too excited about 32 mpg (I saw the 37s and 38s, thats better).
Over 40 and thats good... (side note, have you safely aired up your tires to
40-45psi, that will get you 1-3 more mpg). The true metric is not $/mile, but
$/day.
$/gallon * gallons/mile * miles/day = $/day. If you spend $.10/mile but
commute to LA from Phoenix, its still wasteful... but if you spend $1.5/day on
fuel, thats making a difference. because if its only $1.50 a day, then you
could probably bike to work...
let me know what your solar experiences are. I found they take 20+ years to
pay for themselves with warranties under 20 years. Are you familiar with the
maintenance of solar?
And you didn't answer my second question. If we as a population are willing
to do it ourselves (which is always better), why do we require our leaders to
bully us into doing it ourselves?
keep up the good fight!
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Jason Spatafore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I bought a car that gets 32+ MPG constantly.
See attached spreadsheet. :)
Getting ready to have solar added to my house. 8.6kwH unit so I generate a
surplus.
Notice how I measure performance on $/mile. That's what really matters. I
was ticked when it hit .10/mile. I want to see $.05/mile.
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Cope
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Main PLUG discussion list
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Have you seen this ad?
Sorry to start the flame war...
Stephen, what are you doing to stop the "addiction"?
Why do we need our "leaders" to do it for us?
<remaining on soap box for response>
Eric
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:23 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Link is relevant to my interests but please add an "OT" to the subject
line next time. :)
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Wiebelhaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:54:31
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Have you seen this ad?
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