I agree completely, but it seems every time we have some political discussion on here, PLUGs nervous system grows more extensive... -jmz
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Butash<mich...@butash.net> wrote: > I wouldn't call it a problem per se, perhaps simply a lack of > motivation, but thus far I haven't seen too much of an issue. Politics > annoy me, but I've learned to simply ignore the cruft - others maybe not > so much. I've not been watching or interacting with the list long, but > I haven't seen much of what I'd call abuse to the point of needing a > true steering committee ala moderation and/or hounding. That's > typically about the time I lose interest. > > What I have seen for the most part is (what I'd consider) vibrant > participation in mostly relevant discussions, without moderation or > attitude attitude that normally develops on lists like these. I'd say > most or all of us are professional enough to respect that, keep egos in > check, and that's largely what got me watching and participating in > discussion in the first place. Its refreshing there isn't constant > quoting of rules, moderation, or in general preaching. > > I don't do forums for various reasons, and to me this feels like the > last bastion of the "old world" that still works to maintain my > interest, and works mostly well. Thus far, I wouldn't say I'd recommend > changing anything, but I'm fairly simple to please. > > -mb > > > On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 19:21 -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> well needless to say Im not interested in doing a template. Think >> about it... why would I do it? I dont have any guarantee it 1) will >> be used, 2) be put in a context that doesnt make it look like garbage, >> 3) be attributed. Just following here for educational purposes. .. >> Seems like the concern is you're going to scare away people if >> management is introduced. conversely, youre going to scare away >> people if management isnt introduced (the OT problem). >> >> non-existent steering committee: Sounds like you've got an issue on your >> hands. >> >> -jmz >> >> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:56 PM, R P Herrold<herr...@owlriver.com> wrote: >> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joshua Zeidner wrote: >> > >> >> Nothing substantial can be organized unless there is clear >> >> management. Who will determine what is an 'improvement' and what is a >> >> total failure? PLUG needs to grow up and harness the talents that we >> >> currently have in abundance. Stop with these silly games pretending >> >> no one is running the show. >> > >> > Someone pays the domain renewal bill (if any); someone pays, >> > or calls a favor, with the location the box is hosted; someone >> > has root on that box. Find those answers, and you have the >> > throat to choke. >> > >> > Unhappy with those answers? Can't figure it out? Fork and >> > out-perform the incumbent. Running code talks. This is FOSS >> > after all. >> > >> > No slam on der Hans, or Lisa. Running a LUG is hard; >> > running it for years and years is even harder >> > >> > Bring your own domain registration for a LUG, and I'll provide >> > access to a host for a virthost website, mailing list, etc on >> > a box that has in its past hosted Distrowatch, the Metro >> > Detroit LUG, the Tampa LUG, a couple of defunct LUGs, and the >> > Central OH LUG (currently). Others as well, but I fergit. >> > >> > But kvetching about it and not acting is just pointless. >> > >> > -- Russ herrold >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
