The George W. Bush administration used these powers to by-pass the FISA court and directed the National Security Agency to spy directly on American citizens on American soil.
How does that protect us? And just because he does it and congress allows it does not make it right or Constitutional. Looking back 20 to 40 years from now will pretty interesting. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents & You To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:02 AM http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-13224.htm http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/FreedomofInformationAct/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, keith smith <[email protected]> wrote: Only time will tell. From where I sit, the president cannot circumvent the Constitution unless the courts let him. We do not have a dictator. We are a republic and the government was created by the states for a very limited functionality. The people have given up a some small amounts of rights for the common good and the government continues to take more and more. Look at ObamaCare. Clearly unconstitutional. We live in interesting times, just look at the state of our elections. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lisa Kachold <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents & You To: "Main PLUG discussion list" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:21 AM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:05 AM, R P Herrold <[email protected]> wrote: On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! no, you made some assertions as to technical matter [with seemingly a Linux client hook], and I asked for some URLs to demonstrate the basis for your belief. A third party wanted to be a lawyer on a mailing list with some hearsay as well, but that is out of scope here My question echoes that of Joe Friday: "All we want are the facts, ma'am" I can perform my own analysis and argue almost any side of an opinion given facts I can rely upon --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold <[email protected]>* wrote: Lisa, for context: It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. herrold: A strong assertion. ... snip ... Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a federal agency Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed -- Russ herrold I did not state improper use. It's all legal as of Presidential Special Order. -- Office: (602)239-3392 AT&T: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com "Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. " --Stanislav Lem -----Inline Attachment Follows----- --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Office: (602)239-3392 AT&T: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com "Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. " --Stanislav Lem -----Inline Attachment Follows----- --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
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