Chas, now you begin to see some of the problems I experience on some sites right now. html5 is going to make things at least 1 order or magnitude worse. I had 1 vinux and 1 jaws user also report the same problems.
-Eric On Jan 27, 2011, at 5:47 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote: > Hiya Eric, > > I read your comment and just made a post over there too. > My mistake was to include a "DEL" tag. > Although my post had no ending tag, > the remainder of my post was in unfiltered strikeout font. > What's worse is, the tag itself was filtered, and disappeared. > What? No post preview? I'm out-of-context. > > (-: Chas.M. :-) > > P.S. Could someone confuse legal strikeout with deletion? > > > Subject: Re: text-level semantics and the blind? > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:55:15 -0700 > > To: [email protected] > > > > interesting. > > I never noticed that before. the items that get </del> don't appear > > invisible to me. in fact, that attribute seems to be ignored. no wonder > > some documents get confusing to me. I do have a "text attributes" setting > > in voiceover that would tell me this, but it amps up the verbosity so much > > as to make reading standard web pages a mess to filter. > > > > > > I posted the following to his comments section a few minutes ago: > > "I was reading this page using voiceover. some of the text attributes were > > invisible to me. the <del> element was completely invisible. I didn’t even > > know that those entries were to be removed from the text. > > > > btw, I am a mac user and use voiceover. color highlights, bold, italics, > > other enhancements are all invisible to me. the only way I could “see” them > > is if I turned on “text attributes” which would make an ordinary html/5 > > document unnecessarily verbose. Since I cannot read braille yet (and have > > no braille device), I have no clear idea if these same markers would be > > visible or otherwise in braille. > > > > also, I have no clear idea how other screen access software (jaws, window > > eyes, thunder, system acces and NVDA) would react to these. more input from > > the blind community is needed." > > > > -Eric > > > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:49 AM, der.hans wrote: > > > > > moin moin, > > > > > > http://csswizardry.com/2011/01/html5-and-text-level-semantics/ > > > > > > How do these get represented in brail, via screen readers, etc.? Do they > > > stand out at all? Do they muck up your tools? Are they just ignored? > > > > > > ciao, > > > > > > der.hans > > > -- > > > # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/Classes/ > > > # ABLEconf - 2011Apr02 - CfP 2010Feb06 - Free Software for Free Enterprise > > > # "This country has nothing to fear from the crooked man who fails. We put > > > # him in jail. It is the crooked man who succeeds who is a threat to this > > > # country." -- Theodore Roosevelt, Memphis, TN, 25Oct1905 > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - [email protected] To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss
